Here's Something For You Trump Haters & Lovers

[Robbie]

The press is trying to pretend that Trump is "outrageous" and a "sideshow"

I even heard S.E. Cupp say on CNN that he wasn't acting in a "dignified way" as a candidate.

Really?
Politics is now supposed to be all hugs and kisses and it's "dignified"

Bullshit.

Check out this from the campaign of 1800 with Vice President Thomas Jefferson running against sitting President John Adams:

"Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen in my lifetime. The media is creating fake "outrage".
What a joke!

[Robbie]

People should learn history

[Jman]

So you are saying Mark Prince was right from the beginning...

[mineistaken]

Trump is no BS PC.

[C H R I S]

Fact is he has the leading headline almost everyday for the past month.

He is for sure building his brand - not sure in a positive light, but he doesn't give a shit.

He is probably the best thing to happen to the democratic party in a long time - as he really sheds light on the ignorance of the republican party.

Overall there are very few politicians on either side that really give a shit about helping the country or the people, mostly they are in it for the power, money and fame.

[dyna mo]

t-minus 10,9,8 until crockett comes in here and brings up bush and obama

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Robbie

The press is trying to pretend that Trump is "outrageous" and a "sideshow"

I even heard S.E. Cupp say on CNN that he wasn't acting in a "dignified way" as a candidate.

Really?
Politics is now supposed to be all hugs and kisses and it's "dignified"

Bullshit.

Check out this from the campaign of 1800 with Vice President Thomas Jefferson running against sitting President John Adams:

"Jefferson's camp accused President Adams of having a "hideous hermaphroditical character, which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
In return, Adams' men called Vice President Jefferson "a mean-spirited, low-lived fellow, the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen in my lifetime. The media is creating fake "outrage".
What a joke!

You mean fake outrage like "Obamacare death panels"

Fake outrage like "Hillary gave stand down orders for Benghazi"

Fake outrage like "Obama was born in Kenya"

Fake outrage that "Obama is a Muslim"

Ect..ect..

Am I doing it right?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by C H R I S

Overall there are very few politicians on either side that really give a shit about helping the country or the people, mostly they are in it for the power, money and fame.

I would go so far as to say that by the time a politician gets elected city dog catcher they are already under control of the "system" and any idealism they may have had or desire to "help people" is long gone and replaced by greed and avarice.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

t-minus 10,9,8 until crockett comes in here and brings up bush and obama

It was t-minus 1

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Robbie

the son of a half-breed Indian squaw, sired by a Virginia mulatto father."

that sounds a tad racist...

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by crockett

It was t-minus 1

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by crockett

You mean fake outrage like "Obamacare death panels"?

Fake outrage like "Hillary gave stand down orders for Benghazi"?

Fake outrage like "Obama was born in Kenya"?

Ect..ect..

Yep. I mean that exactly.

Though in all fairness, those are issues (except the stupid birther shit).
So any outrage over WHAT a bureaucrat does in office is pretty much not in the same category as attacking each other in a political race.

Politics have always been dirty.

The media is pretending that nobody has ever questioned anyone else on their military service and/or has ever slung personal insults.

I just showed you two of our founding fathers going at it in the election of 1800 that make Trump look like a choirboy.

Hypocrisy and an agenda in the media.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

that sounds a tad racist...

it was 200 years ago.

[Rochard]

I think this is what the Republican party has been waiting for.... He is saying what people (meaning Republicans) feel. I'm not saying that Republicans honestly believe that "all Mexicans are rapists", but clearly the Republican party is out of touch with Hispanics. The problem there is Hispanics are a large and growing demographic; Here in California Hispanics are now the majority (I want my minority low interest business loan!).

I am wondering how this all plays out. Will Trump win the nomination for the Republican party?

This is gonna be fun. Can you imagine Hillary and Trump going toe to toe with each other in a debate? Lol.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it was 200 years ago.

[MaDalton]

btw - no thread yet about Trump retweeting the picture of a convicted murderer? Not that everyone is occupied with real news accidentally

[DonJon69]

[Robbie]

Oh by the way....the latest polls show Trump is winning the Latino vote by double digits amongst Republican voters.

He said that he would, and he is.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh by the way....the latest polls show Trump is winning the Latino vote by double digits amongst Republican voters.

He said that he would, and he is.

And that is just stunning.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Oh by the way....the latest polls show Trump is winning the Latino vote by double digits amongst Republican voters.

He said that he would, and he is.

Those are likely registered republicans. Winning their vote in a poll now 6 months before the first primary election and winning the overall Latino vote in the general election are two very different things.

[Robbie]

I think the media and politicians are trying to treat Hispanics as if they don't have any brains at all.
"Oh Trump said that most illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers...therefore ALL Hispanic people will be angry"

Trump said he would win the Hispanic vote because (like everyone else) what they really want are jobs and a good economy and he believes he can make that happen.

If you think about it...it's pretty disrespectful of the media and politicians to try and treat Hispanics as if they are just a group of clones who all think exactly alike.

Trump is treating them like people instead of some collective group think/brain dead giant group.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by kane

Those are likely registered republicans. Winning their vote in a poll now 6 months before the first primary election and winning the overall Latino vote in the general election are two very different things.

Very true...but you saw how the media claimed that Trump had lost them and the other Republican candidates jumped all over Trump hoping to gain them by sucking up.

Neither happened.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Very true...but you saw how the media claimed that Trump had lost them and the other Republican candidates jumped all over Trump hoping to gain them by sucking up.

Neither happened.

True. At this moment he has defied logic, that is for sure. I think the polls from the next 3-4 days will tell a lot. Most of the polls that show his big lead today were done before the McCain thing. If he still holds that lead (or even increases it) after what he said about McCain it will show that he is likely bulletproof until at least the debates.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Jman

So you are saying Mark Prince was right from the beginning...

Originally Posted by Robbie

The press is trying to pretend that Trump is "outrageous" and a "sideshow"

He is. Not since Sarah Palin has their been such a fucking sideshow. Donald Trump is now the biggest clown in the clown car.

Originally Posted by Robbie

This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen in my lifetime. !

If you think this is bullshit, you haven't been paying attention to Donald Trump.

Originally Posted by Robbie

The media is creating fake "outrage".

No, the media is REPORTING on REAL outrage. Donald Trump is a self entered egotistical bigot who has zero place in politics. Even the republicans want him out.

Originally Posted by Jman

So you are saying Mark Prince was right from the beginning...

I'm always right about everything, didn't you know?

;)

[RyuLion]

Good read....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by kane

True. At this moment he has defied logic, that is for sure.

I think that what we perceive as "logic" in politics is contrived b.s.

As I showed above...REAL politics is nasty. Way nastier than what Trump is doing.

Just my opinion from what I'm seeing daily on the news. The fact that he keeps going and isn't backing down from the powers that be is making him very attractive to a LOT of voters and is backfiring on the Republicans and the media big time.

[Robbie]

I see ********** didn't bother to read and comprehend my original post in this thread. No big surprise there. lol

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Robbie

People should learn history

People should stop making equivalencies between old times and present times.

[bronco67]

How did this monster get created? The decades of GOP lies that brought us Donald Trump, Republican front-runner - Salon.com

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by bronco67

How did this monster get created? The decades of GOP lies that brought us Donald Trump, Republican front-runner - Salon.com

congrats on proofing the OP's point

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by bronco67

People should stop making equivalencies between old times and present times.

Yeah, because 2015 is so much more "dignified" than what you call "old times".

No, politics is exactly the same. I only used that ONE example to show that even the Founding Fathers got down and VERY nasty in campaigns.

And it's the same today and will be in a hundred years too.

This is the media trying to pretend it's something "new" so they can claim Trump doesn't "belong".
And as I said by that logic...many of the greatest leaders of our country wouldn't be "allowed" to run for President (and no...I'm not equating Trump to our greatest leaders...just pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards)

If you want "modern times", then just look at what happened to John Kerry when he ran against Bush in 2004.

Or the ridiculous attacks against Mitt Romney for traveling with his dog in a dog carrier on top of his car 30 plus years ago.
They couldn't find anything to really go after Romney because he's such a pussy that he's never done anything "bad". So they had to go with that. lol

When Trump calls out a politician and calls them a hermaphrodite like Jefferson did to Adams or any of the racial slurs that Pres. Adams called Jefferson...THEN we will be talking a real political fight.

Until then? I think Trump isn't doing anything "outrageous". But then again everything he does is labeled "outrageous" by the press.
All I'm saying is that in comparison to other political campaigns...it is most definitely not.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by bronco67

People should stop making equivalencies between old times and present times.

Isn't that amusing how people do that?

[TCLGirls]

If Trump only had some sort of military experience, he could cast himself like a modern day Teddy Roosevelt. "Boisterous, brash and hearty"...Americans like that.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I see ********** didn't bother to read and comprehend my original post in this thread. No big surprise there. lol

Robbie you said:


"The press is trying to pretend that Trump is "outrageous" and a "sideshow"

I'm saying they don't HAVE to. He is.

You said:

"Really?Politics is now supposed to be all hugs and kisses and it's "dignified" Bullshit. "

We live in a civilized country. Is it too much to ask that our politicians be civil to each other? And besides, Donald Trump has to attack, because he has no policies and no experience whatsoever.

You said:

"This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen in my lifetime. The media is creating fake "outrage".

I am saying there is no FAKE outrage. The outrage is real.

Exactly what did I miss?

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by TCLGirls

If Trump only had some sort of military experience, he could cast himself like a modern day Teddy Roosevelt. "Boisterous, brash and hearty"...Americans like that.

He had his chance to serve, but he dodged.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

And that is just stunning.

the Latinos don't want people sneaking across the boarder

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by **********

Robbie you said:


"The press is trying to pretend that Trump is "outrageous" and a "sideshow"

I'm saying they don't HAVE to. He is.

You said:

"Really?Politics is now supposed to be all hugs and kisses and it's "dignified" Bullshit. "

We live in a civilized country. Is it too much to ask that our politicians be civil to each other? And besides, Donald Trump has to attack, because he has no policies and no experience whatsoever.

You said:

"This is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever seen in my lifetime. The media is creating fake "outrage".

I am saying there is no FAKE outrage. The outrage is real.

Exactly what did I miss?

You missed EVERYTHING in my original post that showed that politics have ALWAYS been very outrageous and Trump isn't doing anything that hasn't been done a thousand times much worse.

You never really get the point I'm trying to make in pretty much any post I put up. So I'm used to it. You are looking to push your own thoughts on Trump instead of what I'm trying to point out.
What we have here is...failure to communicate.

But that's cool...I actually named this post: "Here's Something For You Trump Haters & Lovers"
I got you marked down as a "Hater". heh-heh

[dyna mo]

**********, I'm reporting live from USA. We won't know of any outrage until some polls are taken. Until then, it's speculation.

Over and out.

[Robbie]

Hey **********...here are your Canadian politicians being "Civilized"...and this isn't even a campaign but how they talk to each other in Parliament:

CBC News Indepth: Canadian Government

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

**********, I'm reporting live from USA. We won't know of any outrage until some polls are taken. Until then, it's speculation.

Over and out.

Actually the time line is:
First CNN tells us it's outrageous.
Then they go up to several leaders and ask them about the "outrageous" comment and get them to say they are "outraged" too.
Then an interest group will open a twitter account and use a script to get a million fake followers and proclaim the outrage.

This all happens in the first day.

On the second day...reporters now go to companies doing business with the "out of control" person and tell them that other leaders are outraged and oh by the way...a million twitter followers are outraged too.
Company cuts ties with "outrageous" person.

Third day...24 hour coverage of all the "outrage" and lots of talking heads talking about the "outrage"

4th day...Polling!

5th day...Usually the end of that candidate.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Actually the time line is:
First CNN tells us it's outrageous.
Then they go up to several leaders and ask them about the "outrageous" comment and get them to say they are "outraged" too.
Then an interest group will open a twitter account and use a script to get a million fake followers and proclaim the outrage.

This all happens in the first day.

On the second day...reporters now go to companies doing business with the "out of control" person and tell them that other leaders are outraged and oh by the way...a million twitter followers are outraged too.
Company cuts ties with "outrageous" person.

Third day...24 hour coverage of all the "outrage" and lots of talking heads talking about the "outrage"

4th day...Polling!

5th day...Usually the end of that candidate.

i'm excited!




oh, also, i think there's a difference between trump being an outrageous candidate and people being outraged over some of the things he's said.

outrageous = bold

outraged = angry

[CDSmith]

Quick show of hands, how many here don't understand the difference between Latino voters (US citizens) and the "Mexicans/illegal immigrants" trump referred to (non-US citizens all)?

[kane]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Quick show of hands, how many here don't understand the difference between Latino voters (US citizens) and the "Mexicans/illegal immigrants" trump referred to (non-US citizens all)?

In a way many of them are one in the same.

A Latino person that is here legally may want their family to be able to come here and be with them, but doing so legally is not very easy. So some of them do it illegally and others just wait and hope for immigration reform.

So if a party were to enact immigration reform that makes coming here easier it could be a windfall of voters for decades to come. If a candidate attacks illegals like Trump did they risk offending those that are legal because they are talking about their friends and family.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Quick show of hands, how many here don't understand the difference between Latino voters (US citizens) and the "Mexicans/illegal immigrants" trump referred to (non-US citizens all)?

The thing is, "Latino voters" do not fit into an easily definable issues based category. First you have the old school Latinos 50+ year olds who are mostly socially conservative, and often not very sympathetic to illegal aliens. Even Ceasar Chavez and his National Farm Workers Association movement actively fought against illegal immigration, claiming illegal aliens took jobs from US citizen Latino workers in the farm fields.

Then you have the younger generation who are much more liberal, and often radical (MECHA, La Raza, open borders etc).

Then you also have Puerto Ricans who generally do not socially identify with the Latinos of the South West US since all of them are already US Citizens.

And then overall, there is generally a "familia" tone within Latino communities...they will bicker/disagree amongst themselves, but do not look favorably upon non-Latinos who criticize Latinos...illegal alien or ot.

So it is pretty difficult to pigeon hole the Latino vote into one category.

[JuicyBunny]

Originally Posted by Robbie

People should learn history

They should but they won't. It feels like Rome in the US, a couple of years before the collapse.

[CDSmith]

Yup, just as I thought. Big convoluted over-complicated answers where "one can vote, the other can not" would suffice.

Trump's comments only seems to have alienated illegals and a certain % of actual latino voters, obviously not all of whom are Mexican. Yet here in this thread and in untold other threads and forums across the universe people are posting such succinct reactions such as "Wow, how did that happen?" and "I did not see that coming" with regard to Trump's Latino numbers.

People are confused. I wanted a light indication of just how many here might be. Now I have it. :D

I did not need nor ask for huge splainations on Latino 101.

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

Yup, just as I thought. Big convoluted over-complicated answers where "one can vote, the other can not" would suffice.

Trump's comments only seems to have alienated illegals and a certain % of actual latino voters, obviously not all of whom are Mexican. Yet here in this thread and in untold other threads and forums across the universe people are posting such succinct reactions such as "Wow, how did that happen?" and "I did not see that coming" with regard to Trump's Latino numbers.

People are confused. I wanted a light indication of just how many here might be. Now I have it. :D

I did not need nor ask for huge splainations on Latino 101.

Complicated answers are hard eh...as if there were any complicated answers in this thread to begin with.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by kane

True. At this moment he has defied logic, that is for sure. I think the polls from the next 3-4 days will tell a lot. Most of the polls that show his big lead today were done before the McCain thing. If he still holds that lead (or even increases it) after what he said about McCain it will show that he is likely bulletproof until at least the debates.

I don't think McCain has that much clout anymore. People are tired of hearing bullshit, they want to hear that someone is going to do things to improve life for them.

That's why Trump is doing so well and the liberals attacking him is just helping him, he doesn't care about them. And they are afraid of him!

[TCLGirls]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I don't think McCain has that much clout anymore. People are tired of hearing bullshit, they want to hear that someone is going to do things to improve life for them.

That's why Trump is doing so well and the liberals attacking him is just helping him, he doesn't care about them. And they are afraid of him!

I guess that's why there are Republicans who are claiming Trump is a democrat plant right?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the Latinos don't want people sneaking across the boarder

They don't? They don't bring their family members over?

I remember working with a guy named Eddie, little Mexican kid - Although I guess he was only a few years younger than me. He was here illegally and I have no idea how they did the paperwork. One day he fails to show up to work which was so unlike him. Turns out he got arrested and deported. A few weeks later he returned like nothing ever happened.