Trump is a draft dodger - GoFuckYourself.com

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 09:46 AM

Classy

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mem...013746583.html

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Trump has claimed that attending a military academy during his high school years was essentially the same as serving. He also effectively dodged the draft during the Vietnam War with claims of bone spurs, educational deferments, and a high draft number.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9f4_story.html

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On Saturday, during a campaign stop in Iowa, Trump said he had a bone spur in his foot but couldn’t recall which one.

Pressed for details, he told reporters to research his draft records. “You’ll have to look it up,” he said. Later that day, his campaign issued a statement saying he had bone spurs in both of his heels.

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 09:49 AM

ahahah, no wonder yahoo is in the shitter.

recycling old stories as spin for the actual story obviously isn't the way for saving yahoo from the trash bin.

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ahahah, no wonder yahoo is in the shitter.

recycling old stories as spin for the actual story obviously isn't the way for saving yahoo from the trash bin.

Its not a story, its facts from Trumps biography.

How is that any different from old Benghazi story? No wonder Fox is in the shitter

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Its not a story, its facts from Trumps biography.

How is that any different from old Benghazi story? No wonder Fox is in the shitter

that's what i said, it's not a story. the story was a veteran's group asked Trump to speak at their rally, yahoo spun that into a rehash of Trump going to college 50 years ago.

it's different from benghazi because the benghazi investigation has evolved into a bigger investigation including alleged illegal communications and racketeering.

Rochard · 05-31-2016, 10:31 AM

But Trump stands for Veterans, right?

This is what I hate about politicians. They claim to be for something when they obviously are not. Do you think Trump wore a US flag pin on his suit every day before he decided to run? Nope. Not only did Trump dodge the draft, he made no attempt to send any of his kids into the military. NOTHING could be more honorable than sending their child to the Naval Academy or West Point and then having them serve in the military for four years.

This is not about Trump and him dodging the draft; Clinton didn't send their daughter into the military. After being First Lady and becoming a Senator, did Hillary Clinton do anything for Vets? Any fund raising events? Did she give any free speeches to any Veterans groups? What about Trump? Trump had no issues accepting a $150k federal grant for one of his buildings from a 9/11 fund, but did he do anything for Veterans before he decided to run? He was a huge businessman in NYC for years - Wasn't he involved in dozens of charity groups in the area?

I understand the military isn't for everyone, but don't stand up on a pedestal and tell us about how you support Vets when you haven't done jack shit for them other than furthering your own career.

(And just in case anyone was wondering, yes, my kid has in fact sat down with a Marine recruiter. My daughter has zero interest, but at least I tried.)

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 10:35 AM

rochard's post would make sense if there were any sense to it. there is no proof Trump dodged the draft after graduating from military school.

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Do you think Trump wore a US flag pin on his suit every day before he decided to run? Nope.

you're not aware that Obama didn't wear the pin either, until AFTER he started running for potus?

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 10:47 AM

"Are you currently wearing a flag pin?

Yes? Then you love America.

No? Hmm. That's gonna be a problem.

Such was the false dichotomy that faced Barack Obama during his April 16 debate against Hillary Clinton, when Charlie Gibson asked Obama a voter question about why he did not wear a flag pin on his lapel. The previous October, an Iowa ABC reporter had asked him a similar question, to which Obama replied that he had worn one after 9/11, but soon noticed, "people wearing a lapel pin but not acting very patriotic." He went on to explain, "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe... and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism." Naturally, a controversy erupted. When it came up again during the April debate, he made a similar point.

Obama now wears a flag pin on his lapel. Every day."

pimpmaster9000 · 05-31-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

NOTHING could be more honorable than sending their child to the Naval Academy or West Point and then having them serve in the military for four years.

yeah if they become doctors or engineers or webmasters they will dishonor the klingon traditions and bring shame upon the empire!

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's what i said, it's not a story. the story was a veteran's group asked Trump to speak at their rally, yahoo spun that into a rehash of Trump going to college 50 years ago.

it's different from benghazi because the benghazi investigation has evolved into a bigger investigation including alleged illegal communications and racketeering.

So now you can/have to bring up Benghazi about Clinton buying tampons at Publix?
How many investigations have right wing nuts requested so far? 5 by Cruz alone.

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

there is no proof Trump dodged the draft after graduating from military school.

magic fairy moved June 14 from number 27 to 364 in Vietnam draft. Oh wait, the date wasn't move just the name D. Trump. Everyone else with June 14th B-day had to go.
Plus he had hmmmmmm some sort of bones in his feet. Left toot? Right foot? Oh fuck it - both

This choice eliminates any possibility of being wrong.

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

So now you can/have to bring up Benghazi about Clinton buying tampons at Publix?
How many investigations have right wing nuts requested so far? 5 by Cruz alone.

it's my understanding the FBI investigation into the criminal activities of HIllary exploded only after the FBI began the benghazi investigation, based on what they uncovered from the emails hills tried to delete the investigation expanded. not due to republican pressure on the FBI.

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

magic fairy moved June 14 from number 27 to 364 in Vietnam draft. Oh wait, the date wasn't move just the name D. Trump. Everyone else with June 14th B-day had to go.
Plus he had hmmmmmm some sort of bones in his feet. Left toot? Right foot? Oh fuck it - both

This choice eliminates any possibility of being wrong.

i can't find any conclusive evidence or reports that prove Trump was a draft dodger.

can you?

mineistaken · 05-31-2016, 12:40 PM

Haters gonna hate.

Rochard · 05-31-2016, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

you're not aware that Obama didn't wear the pin either, until AFTER he started running for potus?

I am pretty sure you are wrong - I am guessing Obama started wearing the pin when he began running for the Senate.

But this also just validates my point: None of them gave a rat's ass about Veterans until the moment they decided to run for office. "I've done a lot for Veterans". Sure sure. What did Trump do for Veterans before he decided to run for office? Nothing. Notta. Zilch. What has Trump EVER done for Veterans? Anything?

Trump just came to California and spoke in Fresno. There were people in the audience waving signs saying "Farmers for Trump". LOL. What Trump ever done for farmers? Nothing at all. He flew in, had a single meeting with a small group, and was instantly able to solve California's drought problem on the spot (seems we are just "shoving the water out into the ocean" lol).

He'll say anything. "I am here to support YOU" but has zero clue of what your needs are or what you want.

They all do it. Clinton is no different. But at the very least I am sure that Hillary can say "Well, in my lifetime I've attended multiple charity events for veterans / farmers / homeless etc - because she has been in government so long. But she's the same, they are all. What has Hillary done for Veterans? Can you name one damn thing? What about Trump?

Relic · 05-31-2016, 12:41 PM

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i can't find any conclusive evidence or reports that prove Trump was a draft dodger.

can you?

Faking injury is not? Having your name moved from one pile to another after being summoned to draft multiple times? Lets call it "luck" than.

Rochard · 05-31-2016, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

yeah if they become doctors or engineers or webmasters they will dishonor the klingon traditions and bring shame upon the empire!

I am not saying that at all. I'm just saying don't stand up and say "I am for veterans" when you have lived fifty years old and NEVER done a single thing for veterans until the moment he decided to run for public office.

I guess we'll never know if Trump ever donated to any veterans groups - he won't release his taxes. But he was quick to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Federal 9/11 fund.

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

it's my understanding the FBI investigation into the criminal activities of HIllary exploded only after the FBI began the benghazi investigation, based on what they uncovered from the emails hills tried to delete the investigation expanded. not due to republican pressure on the FBI.

And you are wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...gha zi_attack

Relic · 05-31-2016, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Relic

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

And you are wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli...gha zi_attack

that page has absolutely zero to do with the FBI expanded investigation into Hillary Clinton's criminal activities that go beyond benghazi.

i'm right. as usual.

flashfire · 05-31-2016, 01:05 PM

he should have just said rich people don't go to war

Paul Markham · 05-31-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ahahah, no wonder yahoo is in the shitter.

recycling old stories as spin for the actual story obviously isn't the way for saving yahoo from the trash bin.

So he dodged the draft. What's the big deal? Bush did. Trump also called a veteran a loser.

Why do you constantly try to belittle all the trash people find on him?

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So he dodged the draft. What's the big deal? Bush did. Trump also called a veteran a loser.

Why do you constantly try to belittle all the trash people find on him?

why don't you read the story. then *maybe* you'll figure it out.

fitzmulti · 05-31-2016, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

ahahah, no wonder yahoo is in the shitter.

recycling old stories as spin for the actual story obviously isn't the way for saving yahoo from the trash bin.

Horatio Caine · 05-31-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that page has absolutely zero to do with the FBI expanded investigation into Hillary Clinton's criminal activities that go beyond benghazi.

i'm right. as usual.

Neh, it has everything to do with FBI. You just didn't bother to read thus proving me right once again. What was that you saying about "conclusive evidence"?

Got any?

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Neh, it has everything to do with FBI. You just didn't bother to read thus proving me right once again. What was that you saying about "conclusive evidence"?

Got any?

No, I stated that link has nothing to do with the expanded investigation, and I'm right about that.

dyna mo · 05-31-2016, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Neh, it has everything to do with FBI. You just didn't bother to read thus proving me right once again. What was that you saying about "conclusive evidence"?

Got any?

The only time I've mentioned conclusive evidence was when I pointed out the lack of it proving trumps a draft dodger.

Joshua G · 05-31-2016, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Faking injury is not? Having your name moved from one pile to another after being summoned to draft multiple times? Lets call it "luck" than.

so apparently mo requests conclusive evidence, & you reply with musings out of your own mouth

put it this way. if its true trump dodged the draft, then the clinton machine, the DNC, all the libby organizations, not to mention 16 GOP candidates, fumbled the ball huge on this matter for the past year.

but whenever you get around to providing a legit source for your nonsense, you let us know.

MiamiBoyz · 05-31-2016, 07:11 PM

Proves nothing except that he's smart enough not to get killed for stupid politicians so good for him. I would have done the same.

Barry-xlovecam · 05-31-2016, 08:56 PM

That was during the meat-grinder years on the Vietnam war. I really cannot fault Trump on that one. You were poor you got drafted or if you could afford to pay for college you got a student deferment -- all the way to your PhD if you could afford it.

Vietnam was not a necessary or just war. Also, as a result of the draft 70% of the servicemen were conscripted from less favored economic backgrounds.

North Vietnam never attacked the sovereign USA soil. Vietnam was American Imperialism following French Imperialism.

I was a draft evader and an anti-war activist -- but I am honest about it.

On top of that, Trump has the audacity to pander to low information veterans and is not honest about these things.

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[T]rump "was a Vietnam draft dodger," Kuby said.

We asked Kuby what he meant and he explained, "I use the term broadly to mean anyone who took advantage of deferments to avoid being drafted."

In theory, that could apply to a huge number of people. In the course of the Vietnam War, about 15.4 million men received deferments, were exempted or disqualified. In contrast to those millions, the government charged 210,000 people with draft violations, ranging from burning their draft cards to refusing to serve to fleeing the country.

"The only people who violated the Selective Service Act did so out of principle," Kuby said. "They were going to show they were not cowards by risking imprisonment to protest an immoral war. If you were white and middle class, there were many legal ways out." ...

Was Trump a "draft dodger"? | PunditFact

2-S is a student deferment
1-A is active call up status
1-Y is only in a national emergency
4-F is medically unfit for service

These are not the qualities you want in a Commander in Chief -- a coward and a liar.

Paul Markham · 06-01-2016, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

why don't you read the story. then *maybe* you'll figure it out.

I did read them.

1. He claims he had bone spurs in his feet. So he needs to prove that with a medical exam. If there is no evidence of bone spurs, he needs to be charged.

2. Yes the US is losing the war with ISIS. Like it lost the war in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Korea, etc. The reason isn't the lack of spending. It's losing because of stupidity. When will Americans get it into their heads winning or losing is down to perspective? Big business wins every time. Americans lose every time. The people the US choose to go to war do not like you and do not want to be like you. They don't welcome being bombed. The majority see the murders and genocide of minorities as the best way. Crusifixo hates the US for trying to stop Serbs committing genocide on a minority.

Militarily the US is 100 times stronger than ISIS. But 100 times weaker in ideology. While the US backs a country that is hated by Islam, persecutes them and steals their land. They will always lose to organisations like ISIS.

Paul Markham · 06-01-2016, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

The only time I've mentioned conclusive evidence was when I pointed out the lack of it proving trumps a draft dodger.

So he needs to have a proper medical exam. Or course we need to see proof of the bone spurs. Like he demands proof about Obama's status. He needs to judge himself by his own rules.

Paul Markham · 06-01-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Vietnam was not a necessary or just war.

North Vietnam never attacked the sovereign USA soil. Vietnam was American Imperialism following French Imperialism.

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On top of that, Trump has the audacity to pander to low information veterans and is not honest about these things.

Are you suggesting he can pander to those with higher information and education levels?

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2-S is a student deferment
1-A is active call up status
1-Y is only in a national emergency
4-F is medically unfit for service

These are not the qualities you want in a Commander in Chief -- a coward and a liar.

plaster · 06-01-2016, 12:27 AM

Paul... you do realize that bone spurs go down after the cause of the bone spur is eliminated right? For example, I got bone spurs on my side of foot from ski boots when I was skiing 5 times a week... when that slowed my bone spurs went away.

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Rochard Jägermeister Test Pilot Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NORCAL Posts: 73,268	But Trump stands for Veterans, right? This is what I hate about politicians. They claim to be for something when they obviously are not. Do you think Trump wore a US flag pin on his suit every day before he decided to run? Nope. Not only did Trump dodge the draft, he made no attempt to send any of his kids into the military. NOTHING could be more honorable than sending their child to the Naval Academy or West Point and then having them serve in the military for four years. This is not about Trump and him dodging the draft; Clinton didn't send their daughter into the military. After being First Lady and becoming a Senator, did Hillary Clinton do anything for Vets? Any fund raising events? Did she give any free speeches to any Veterans groups? What about Trump? Trump had no issues accepting a $150k federal grant for one of his buildings from a 9/11 fund, but did he do anything for Veterans before he decided to run? He was a huge businessman in NYC for years - Wasn't he involved in dozens of charity groups in the area? I understand the military isn't for everyone, but don't stand up on a pedestal and tell us about how you support Vets when you haven't done jack shit for them other than furthering your own career. (And just in case anyone was wondering, yes, my kid has in fact sat down with a Marine recruiter. My daughter has zero interest, but at least I tried.) __________________ “The choice is no longer between right or left. The choice is between normal and crazy.” - Sarah Huckabee Sanders YNOT MAIL \| THE BEST ADULT MAILING SOLUTION

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,282	ahahah, no wonder yahoo is in the shitter. recycling old stories as spin for the actual story obviously isn't the way for saving yahoo from the trash bin.

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dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,282	rochard's post would make sense if there were any sense to it. there is no proof Trump dodged the draft after graduating from military school.

05-31-2016, 10:47 AM	#8
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 64,282	"Are you currently wearing a flag pin? Yes? Then you love America. No? Hmm. That's gonna be a problem. Such was the false dichotomy that faced Barack Obama during his April 16 debate against Hillary Clinton, when Charlie Gibson asked Obama a voter question about why he did not wear a flag pin on his lapel. The previous October, an Iowa ABC reporter had asked him a similar question, to which Obama replied that he had worn one after 9/11, but soon noticed, "people wearing a lapel pin but not acting very patriotic." He went on to explain, "I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest. Instead I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe... and hopefully that will be a testimony to my patriotism." Naturally, a controversy erupted. When it came up again during the April debate, he made a similar point. Obama now wears a flag pin on his lapel. Every day."

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mineistaken See signature :) Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ICQ 363 097 773 Posts: 29,656	Haters gonna hate.

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Relic So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 10,300

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flashfire ICQ 1 6 7 8 5 3 4 9 2 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 13,098	he should have just said rich people don't go to war

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MiamiBoyz fgfdftre6 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In the closet with your dad! Posts: 6,690	Proves nothing except that he's smart enough not to get killed for stupid politicians so good for him. I would have done the same.

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plaster So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 2,295	Paul... you do realize that bone spurs go down after the cause of the bone spur is eliminated right? For example, I got bone spurs on my side of foot from ski boots when I was skiing 5 times a week... when that slowed my bone spurs went away.