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tfto · 12-15-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

He's a fake nic. He doesn't give a shit about posting incorrect information because he has nothing invested in the nic. As long as he posts he's doing his job in his mind

Here we go again!. You and your fake nic shit.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Robbie, they were doing this before 2015.

Remember the ISIS payment system? AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile all owned shares in the ISIS payment system. They blocked Google Wallet because it was competition.

Think about what this is going to do for innovation Robbie.... What happens when someone makes a new payment system or chat system that your ISP doesn't like? They just shut it down so it never sees the light of day.

How is this good for the consumer? How is this good for anyone except for big companies that will now get to pick and choose what software, services, and products we can use on the Internet?

So what we are really looking at is this regulation of 2015 was a way to stop big companies from doing bad things.

That makes sense.

My question would be though...you and a few others have said you don't have any competition in the way of ISP's to choose from.

I know for a fact that there were tons of them just a few years ago. Even in the small town I lived in in South Carolina ten years ago I had over a dozen choices. (And yes, I know that there is a small percentage of people who live in the mountains and other remote places who have no choice but slow satellite service...but I'm only talking about people who live in civilization lol)

Is it possible that the "Net Neutrality" regulation itself may have helped destroy those smaller companies?
I'm just asking.

If I had all of those choices in a tiny town of 10,000 people in shithole South Carolina...what happened to change that in the last few years for everyone?

SOMETHING must have knocked those small innovative companies out of business.

I'm just trying to see both sides of the issue. The media isn't reporting both sides (well, the business channels do...but they report an entirely different thing than what is being said here).

I am just like everyone else on here...I don't want to lose anything on the web. Nobody wants that. Hell I already pay $150 a month for my 1 gig up and down speed internet service. I certainly don't want to pay any more than that.

Anyway, I was just wondering about all of this. Like you said...it SEEMS like "everyone is against this". But I'm not sure that everyone has even gotten the proper information about it.

I know that I don't have what I feel is adequate info.
Seems like EVERY thing that happens these days is instantly politicized. And that makes it hard to get FACTS for all of us. We all end up reading OPINIONS that are political.

And no, I have no idea why in a sane world this would be a political thing. But in our country now...it is.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

My question would be though...you and a few others have said you don't have any competition in the way of ISP's to choose from.

I know for a fact that there were tons of them just a few years ago. Even in the small town I lived in in South Carolina ten years ago I had over a dozen choices. (And yes, I know that there is a small percentage of people who live in the mountains and other remote places who have no choice but slow satellite service...but I'm only talking about people who live in civilization lol)

In some cases getting internet is difficult and there are few choices.

In my case, I surely could go and use a different company. I could choose from any of them; I live in the suburbs. However, I would be going from free Internet to paying $100 (or whatever it costs for Internet). So now that net neutrality is dead, my upstream ISP AT&T can block Skype. Skype is a requirement for my job, so it would cost me $1200 a year. However,

It's really easy to say "Well, move to a different Internet provider". That's a great idea, but I can move to another company and run into other problems - Perhaps Comcast has a policy that doesn't allow Netflix and Youtube because it uses too much bandwidth. Or perhaps another Internet provider won't allow me to work with the payment processor I use.

In other cases they do not have choices for Internet providers. I live in Lincoln, California, and while most of us live in the suburbs just outside of town is farm country. They don't have Internet or even cable television. All they have is "satellite Internet".

This isn't a political issue Robbie. Almost everyone is against this. Why would anyone remove protections for consumers while destroying any attempts at innovation? This is just a bad idea from the start.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I am just like everyone else on here...I don't want to lose anything on the web. Nobody wants that. Hell I already pay $150 a month for my 1 gig up and down speed internet service. .

I had... No idea people pay that much....

C H R I S · 12-15-2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

How would they do that? And if they did...what's to stop customers and businesses from simply moving to a competitor.

And what's to stop competitors from offering MORE and charging less to take business away from people like Verizon and Comcast?

I moved away from Verizon after a dozen years for my cell service because T-Mobile had a much better price AND gave me a lot more for my money.

I switched from Cox Cable to Century Link last year because for slightly less money I can get 1 Gig up and down speed on Century Link's fiber optic...Cox couldn't compete with that.

I'm asking this very seriously. I don't really give a shit about anybody's political views.

Brad explains it better than me, these companies are not on consumer or businesses side and there are not many options in some markets. Even here in Marina Del Rey - in Los Angeles I have only 1 option for internet service- Spectrum. There are NO other providers, if they decided to start charging me $500 for 100MBPS or more to access Pornhub or Chaturbate-- who am I to stop them>? The government won't now.

kane · 12-15-2017, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

So what we are really looking at is this regulation of 2015 was a way to stop big companies from doing bad things.

That makes sense.

My question would be though...you and a few others have said you don't have any competition in the way of ISP's to choose from.

I know for a fact that there were tons of them just a few years ago. Even in the small town I lived in in South Carolina ten years ago I had over a dozen choices. (And yes, I know that there is a small percentage of people who live in the mountains and other remote places who have no choice but slow satellite service...but I'm only talking about people who live in civilization lol)

Is it possible that the "Net Neutrality" regulation itself may have helped destroy those smaller companies?
I'm just asking.

If I had all of those choices in a tiny town of 10,000 people in shithole South Carolina...what happened to change that in the last few years for everyone?

SOMETHING must have knocked those small innovative companies out of business.

I'm just trying to see both sides of the issue. The media isn't reporting both sides (well, the business channels do...but they report an entirely different thing than what is being said here).

I am just like everyone else on here...I don't want to lose anything on the web. Nobody wants that. Hell I already pay $150 a month for my 1 gig up and down speed internet service. I certainly don't want to pay any more than that.

Anyway, I was just wondering about all of this. Like you said...it SEEMS like "everyone is against this". But I'm not sure that everyone has even gotten the proper information about it.

I know that I don't have what I feel is adequate info.
Seems like EVERY thing that happens these days is instantly politicized. And that makes it hard to get FACTS for all of us. We all end up reading OPINIONS that are political.

And no, I have no idea why in a sane world this would be a political thing. But in our country now...it is.

I live in a smallish town about 15 minutes from Portland. I have two choices for internet. I can get it through the cable company (which is what I have) or the phone company. Their prices and speeds are comparable. Last summer I caught my ISP throttling my service during prime time hours. I pay for 50mbs but from 7-10pm I would be lucky to get 5mbs. At first, they didn't believe me so I did a bunch of tests and found that it only slowed down during those hours. After several complaints, it suddenly stopped happening. When I talked to my neighbor about it, he was having the same issue, complained, and suddenly it was fixed for him as well.

As for what happens to those other companies, some of them get bought up. My local phone company was bought by Directlink a few years back and the cable company has changed hands a few times. Big companies are swallowing their smaller competition up. If a company wants to come into my town and offer internet service, they are going to have to go to the expense of laying the cable then they will have to offer better services or prices. It might be hard to find companies willing to do that.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I had... No idea people pay that much....

If you want the best, you pay for the best.
I always have to have the fastest internet speeds (especially uploads). When I'm updating Claudia's site I'm putting up huge size files.

C H R I S · 12-15-2017, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ErectMedia

I wish you could pay per channel as I watch like...

HBO
A&E
History

Debated killing cable and just using Netflix and Buying HBO App For $14.99 but then internet price jumps up since not double play package so still some savings just not huge savings since I lose the bundle pricing. Random taxes already on my bill in Chicago...

Broadcast TV Fee
$7.00
Regional Sports Fee
$5.00
Franchise Fee
$6.20
FCC Fee
$0.08
PEG Access
$1.23
City Amusement Tax
$8.96

Along with Netflix charging .90 Chicago City Amusement Tax

Not a money issue, just principle of I pay lot of bullshit fees for barely watching any TV.

I already killed cable and just use Roku and apps... You wont miss it. I saved $80.00 a month and only spend like $25 on HBO, Netflix and Hulu. No taxes on Internet.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Last summer I caught my ISP throttling my service during prime time hours. I pay for 50mbs but from 7-10pm I would be lucky to get 5mbs. At first, they didn't believe me so I did a bunch of tests and found that it only slowed down during those hours.

I know that back in the 1990's I had just gotten the brand "new" internet cable connection in the little town I was living in.
Before that it was 56K dial up.

So I was super happy to have 1 MB download speed! It was like a whole new world opened up. lol

But they told me then that as more and more people got it...it would slow down like any other network and they would have to add more switches to get it back up to speed.

Maybe that's what happened with your local provider? They might not have been "throttling" you...they may have simply not have enough to handle the amount of bandwidth happening at the peak hours. And then after enough complaints, they went ahead and spent money to upgrade and fix your problem.

That's my theory.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S

Brad explains it better than me, these companies are not on consumer or businesses side and there are not many options in some markets. Even here in Marina Del Rey - in Los Angeles I have only 1 option for internet service- Spectrum. There are NO other providers, if they decided to start charging me $500 for 100MBPS or more to access Pornhub or Chaturbate-- who am I to stop them>? The government won't now.

Why isn't there more competition? How on Earth did you end up with only ONE provider?
That is something you should be asking.

As I said earlier...even in dial up days you had dozens of choices. Now you find yourself living in one of the biggest cities in the U.S. and you only have ONE choice?

Something happened. And it didn't happen "now". Trump hasn't done anything until yesterday with the rollback of the regulation.

So SOMETHING with the govt. (under Pres. Obama) happened to kill all the competition.
I would think that people would be just a little bit curious about what happened.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

If you want the best, you pay for the best.
I always have to have the fastest internet speeds (especially uploads). When I'm updating Claudia's site I'm putting up huge size files.

When I first moved here I was a little bit worried about the "free Internet". You get what you pay for, and free is free and usually sucks. However, basically we have AT&T. I have no idea what the speeds are but I've never had an issue. I can be playing a video game, uploading a video, and watching Netflix while my kid is watching Netflix at the same time and never an issue.

But damn, $150 for Internet....

kane · 12-15-2017, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I know that back in the 1990's I had just gotten the brand "new" internet cable connection in the little town I was living in.
Before that it was 56K dial up.

So I was super happy to have 1 MB download speed! It was like a whole new world opened up. lol

But they told me then that as more and more people got it...it would slow down like any other network and they would have to add more switches to get it back up to speed.

Maybe that's what happened with your local provider? They might not have been "throttling" you...they may have simply not have enough to handle the amount of bandwidth happening at the peak hours. And then after enough complaints, they went ahead and spent money to upgrade and fix your problem.

That's my theory.

I have no proof of this, I am just basing it on what I observed and heard from some people. I'm confident that they "oversold" the network and there were too many people on it so it slowed down during peak usage hours. I think they throttled users during that time to keep it from going down. The reason I think it was throttled is because of how my tests went. Every day I did four speed tests with two of them being during those peak hours and two being during other times of the day. I found that at 6:45pm I would get 50mbs or very close to it. At 7:10pm I would be at around 5mbs and it would stay that way until 10pm then at 10:10pm it was back up to 50. I suppose it could have been a lack of hardware and a need for an upgrade, but it just seemed fishy to me that it always happened at the same exact time every day. Also, when I called to complain and suggested this was what was happening, the support person I was on the line with immediately transferred me to his supervisor who promised it wasn't happening. After a second complaint and me emailing them a list of the speed tests, suddenly it stopped happening.

Maybe it still was hardware and they were throttling while trying to upgrade, but I have my doubts.

Either way, since it was "fixed" it has worked fine and I haven't had those issues.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Either way, since it was "fixed" it has worked fine and I haven't had those issues.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

When I first moved here I was a little bit worried about the "free Internet". You get what you pay for, and free is free and usually sucks. However, basically we have AT&T. I have no idea what the speeds are but I've never had an issue. I can be playing a video game, uploading a video, and watching Netflix while my kid is watching Netflix at the same time and never an issue.

But damn, $150 for Internet....

Yeah, I run my business here. So watching netflix and playing games would be just fine on a "normal" internet connection.

But since I use my internet connection to make money and move giant files...I can't be slowed down. My connection is fiber optical line running into my office. I can't fuck around when it comes to making money.

I'll tell some of y'all like me who have large homes something too:
I have bought every expensive ass wifi router over the last 10 years. And they all worked well...but never could really get the job done.

But I just got the EERO 3 piece system. Wow!
Super fast speeds throughout both stories of my home AND in the "Casita" (guest house) out back by the swimming pool.

No loss of signal or speeds anywhere on the property. And it has to be the most simple thing to set up ever.
I got the "Pro Wifi" version. It's expensive...but worth every penny. https://eero.com/

Herd · 12-15-2017, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Anyway, I was just wondering about all of this. Like you said...it SEEMS like "everyone is against this". But I'm not sure that everyone has even gotten the proper information about it.

Its now 100% legal for ISPs to block, throttle and paid prioritization on the internet. Not sure what more info you need.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, I run my business here. So watching netflix and playing games would be just fine on a "normal" internet connection.

But since I use my internet connection to make money and move giant files...I can't be slowed down. My connection is fiber optical line running into my office. I can't fuck around when it comes to making money.

I'll tell some of y'all like me who have large homes something too:
I have bought every expensive ass wifi router over the last 10 years. And they all worked well...but never could really get the job done.

But I just got the EERO 3 piece system. Wow!
Super fast speeds throughout both stories of my home AND in the "Casita" (guest house) out back by the swimming pool.

No loss of signal or speeds anywhere on the property. And it has to be the most simple thing to set up ever.
I got the "Pro Wifi" version. It's expensive...but worth every penny. https://eero.com/

Well, thanks to the man you voted for and would vote for again... They will be able to throttle your connection for whatever reason and you will have no protections at all.

trevesty · 12-15-2017, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Is it something that people think would "protect" them from hypothetical "what if" scenarios?

I will totally admit that the whole thing is confusing to me. It's another of those things where it's hard to figure out the reality of it because there are so many differing viewpoints and not much factual information.

There's actually a ton of factual information. The only "differing viewpoints" comes from talking heads on Fox and other conservative media who are either a) idiots or b) bought and paid for.

Title II classification protects consumers. Full stop. During it, the major ISPs faced constant litigation for fucking over consumers. Before it, they didn't. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

There's actually a ton of factual information. The only "differing viewpoints" comes from talking heads on Fox and other conservative media who are either a) idiots or b) bought and paid for.

Title II classification protects consumers. Full stop. During it, the major ISPs faced constant litigation for fucking over consumers. Before it, they didn't. Just because you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen.

For Robbie this seems to be a political issue, and he is getting all of his news from one source - a political source. Namely Fox News. How anyone other than large corporations can support this is mind blowing.

It's just like the Jerusalem issue... While the Jerusalem thing is clearly political, there is just no upside to moving our embassy to Jerusalem. None - at all. The only reason to move the US embassy to Jerusalem is make Israel happy (which we clearly do not need to do) and in the process it's going to piss off the Palestinians, piss off everyone else in the middle east, and completely derail any peace process. I had no idea Congress voted on it in 1995 or that our President has to sign a waiver about this every six months, but still after all of the research I put in it's crystal clear that there is NO UPSIDE to this - which makes perfect sense being as Clinton, Bush, and Obama always signed the wavier.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

For Robbie this seems to be a political issue, and he is getting all of his news from one source - a political source. Namely Fox News. How anyone other than large corporations can support this is mind blowing.

Stop acting like a fucking asshole. You don't know SHIT about where or how I get my info.
I watch all the news channels.

And I got my "source" from the head of the FCC himself. Not you or Anderson Cooper or John Oliver or MSNBC or Sean Hannity or anyone else giving their OPINION.

And the reason I said these issues are politicized is BECAUSE these "reporters" and comedians ARE weighing in on it in a negative way and it seems to be going down a partisan line.

Instead of being a jerk to me, you should start READING what I write. I've never said I "support" any of this. I asked how this can be so bad if it will all just be the exact same way it was before 2 years ago.

Just because you don't question anything...well, that would explain how your mind works. Mine doesn't work that way.

I simply wanted to know both sides of the issue. Doesn't matter if YOU "support" anything anyway. Neither you nor I matter one bit to what will or won't happen.

As for voting for Trump. You're so blind to the world around you...I've been telling you that ever since you went on this hate-filled anti-Trump trip you've been on.
Wake up Rochard. The economy is BOOMING.

I know that CNN wants you to believe it was just "coincidence" that it suddenly went into high gear on the day Trump was elected (after your "fake news" sources had declared that if Trump were elected the economy would IMMEDIATELY crash...more lies).

But it's not coincidence. Just like when Brian Ross of ABC put out FAKE NEWS a couple of weeks ago that looked like Trump was in big trouble...the stock market IMMEDIATELY tumbled 350 points.
And then when it was revealed to be FAKE NEWS...the market not only IMMEDIATELY recovered but went even higher.

Maybe if you were not an employee...but a business owner yourself you might start paying attention to the economy and start understanding how it really works.

But that day is NEVER gonna happen because of your negative, hate-filled mindset.

Rochard · 12-15-2017, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Instead of being a jerk to me, you should start READING what I write. I've never said I "support" any of this. I asked how this can be so bad if it will all just be the exact same way it was before 2 years ago.

Just because you don't question anything...well, that would explain how your mind works. Mine doesn't work that way.

I do read what you write. And it's painfully obvious that you have't been paying attention to net neutrality for the past year. You also came in with the attitude of "it will be the same way it was" without knowing what was really going on.

Net neutrality isn't a political issue. It's a technology issue. Don't you read anything other than political news?

Acepimp · 12-15-2017, 08:25 PM

Clueless libs

tfto · 12-15-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp

Clueless libs

Under Obama, and before Net Neutrality, the internet was rainbows and unicorns. Under Trump, and after Net Neutrality, The internet will be Armageddon. Hey!. Maybe conversion rates will go back to pre Net Neutrality!

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I do read what you write. And it's painfully obvious that you have't been paying attention to net neutrality for the past year. You also came in with the attitude of "it will be the same way it was" without knowing what was really going on.

Net neutrality isn't a political issue. It's a technology issue. Don't you read anything other than political news?

I SAID it should not be political. You don't fucking know how to read Rochard.

It IS being politicized. John Oliver just did a big rant about it. It's become "Democrat" to be against repealing the 2015 regulation. That is my point. You really don't have a clue about much of anything brother. I don't know why I keep doing this to myself.
Just forget it.

Keep on hating. Keep your blinders on. I can't be bothered with your nonsense. I keep foolishly thinking that you will somehow suddenly become enlightened. It ain't gonna happen.

Robbie · 12-15-2017, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tfto

Under Obama, and before Net Neutrality, the internet was rainbows and unicorns. Under Trump, and after Net Neutrality, The internet will be Armageddon. Hey!. Maybe conversion rates will go back to pre Net Neutrality!

2 freakin' years of a regulation...and the media and politicians are acting like it's the end of the world.
It's disgusting to me to see people willfully allow themselves to be this stupid.

And "No", I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing.
I'm just pointing out what SHOULD be obvious to people...it was a REGULATION THAT IS 2 YEARS OLD.

Most internet innovation happened PRIOR to that. Most wealth on the internet happened PRIOR to that.

I don't see where this reg did much one way or another. And I don't see how getting rid of it is suddenly going to take away people's fucking NetFlix.

And...apparently over the Obama administration's time...there is suddenly NO ISP competition after over 20 years of lots of competition in even small towns. And nobody seems to even wonder or have any curiosity how that happened.

Maybe if some people didn't spend all their time watching NetFlix and started kicking ass in real life....things would be better.

crockett · 12-15-2017, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tfto

Under Obama, and before Net Neutrality, the internet was rainbows and unicorns. Under Trump, and after Net Neutrality, The internet will be Armageddon. Hey!. Maybe conversion rates will go back to pre Net Neutrality!

Dumb dumb fake nick... prior to Obama doing the nn law the ISP were trying to throttle and block content. Its the fucking entire reason Obama had to classify them as title ii..

Jesus you guys will shill for anything aslong as your team says rah rah...

crockett · 12-15-2017, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

2 freakin' years of a regulation...and the media and politicians are acting like it's the end of the world.
It's disgusting to me to see people willfully allow themselves to be this stupid.

And "No", I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing.
I'm just pointing out what SHOULD be obvious to people...it was a REGULATION THAT IS 2 YEARS OLD.

Most internet innovation happened PRIOR to that. Most wealth on the internet happened PRIOR to that.

I don't see where this reg did much one way or another. And I don't see how getting rid of it is suddenly going to take away people's fucking NetFlix.

And...apparently over the Obama administration's time...there is suddenly NO ISP competition after over 20 years of lots of competition in even small towns. And nobody seems to even wonder or have any curiosity how that happened.

Maybe if some people didn't spend all their time watching NetFlix and started kicking ass in real life....things would be better.

You dont seem to have a clue about anything not global warming not net neutrality.. Just whatever you are spoon fed by right wong political hacks.. Your arguments are exactly what the talking heads spew..

Yet reality never seems to open your eyes..

For the fucking record, prior to Obama classifying the isp's as title 2, Comcast for one was 100% throttling websites inxluding Netflix. They kept pushing the boundaries to see what they could get away with..

You live in a bubble Robbie.. you always have.

This happened in 2014 Robbie... Netflix had to pay Comcast to stop throttling their service..

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/n...-end-slowdown/

Wake the fuck up from LaLa land and educate yourself about shit you decide to start claiming you know anything about...

Bladewire · 12-15-2017, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You dont seem to have a clue about anything not global warming not net neutrality.. Just whatever you are spoon fed by right wong political hacks.. Your arguments are exactly what the talking heads spew..

Yet reality never seems to open your eyes..

For the fucking record, prior to Obama classifying the isp's as title 2, Comcast for one was 100% throttling websites inxluding Netflix. They kept pushing the boundaries to see what they could get away with..

You live in a bubble Robbie.. you always have.

This happened in 2014 Robbie... Netflix had to pay Comcast to stop throttling their service..

https://consumerist.com/2014/02/23/n...-end-slowdown/

Wake the fuck up from LaLa land and educate yourself about shit you decide to start claiming you know anything about...

He's a zombie lost cause

rogueteens · 12-16-2017, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

From Net neutrality repeal: What is it, and why will it make the internet much worse? | The Independent

The end of net neutrality could completely cripple startups too, as large, established sites would be in a much better position than them to strike favourable deals with ISPs, in order to have their services prioritised over others.

There are also fears that ISPs could use their power to censor protesters and suffocate free speech, by controlling what people can and cannot put online.

Sounds like Google.

directfiesta · 12-16-2017, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Herd

Its now 100% legal for ISPs to block, throttle and paid prioritization on the internet. Not sure what more info you need.

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Originally Posted by directfiesta View Post
Anyway, I was just wondering about all of this. Like you said...it SEEMS like "everyone is against this". But I'm not sure that everyone has even gotten the proper information about it.

I did not post this in this thread .... Damn, now we have FAKE POSTS ....
Why do you need to invent posts ?

trevesty · 12-16-2017, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

2 freakin' years of a regulation...and the media and politicians are acting like it's the end of the world.
It's disgusting to me to see people willfully allow themselves to be this stupid.

And "No", I'm not saying it's a good or bad thing.
I'm just pointing out what SHOULD be obvious to people...it was a REGULATION THAT IS 2 YEARS OLD.

Most internet innovation happened PRIOR to that. Most wealth on the internet happened PRIOR to that.

I don't see where this reg did much one way or another. And I don't see how getting rid of it is suddenly going to take away people's fucking NetFlix.

And...apparently over the Obama administration's time...there is suddenly NO ISP competition after over 20 years of lots of competition in even small towns. And nobody seems to even wonder or have any curiosity how that happened.

Maybe if some people didn't spend all their time watching NetFlix and started kicking ass in real life....things would be better.

Robbie, I have a friend who started 2 ISP's here locally targeted towards rural customers but using existing ISP's wires - of course, he paid them for utilizing their property but was only allowed to do so because of Net Neutrality. This was only possible because of Title II classification. Before that, in this area, there were 2 choices for 20 years. His kids were set for college (wherever they wanted to go) and he began investing heavily in real estate. He's ALREADY (after a couple days) facing litigation from those ISP's he was purchasing from after the repeal of those regulations. Now he'll probably go bankrupt and live on government handouts. My lawyer is representing him and told a few of us that this person has had to put a bunch of homes on the market just to be able to HOPEFULLY afford the legal costs brought upon him by 2 big ISP's.

Also because of Title II, 3 local towns (20k and smaller) with their own power companies installed fiber that is 1gbps down / up for $30 per month to every resident and business (and it paid for itself in year 1). All 3 of those towns saw a boom in new residents, new businesses and new construction.

I live in one of the most red counties in the country...

There are those of us who have been advocating for Net Neutrality for 15 years for a lot of these reasons - it helps innovation, helps create NEW businesses (not just protect OLD ones), and helps grow the economy in the 21st Century. With respect, it appears you only started paying attention when it became a hot political issue on cable news.

trevesty · 12-16-2017, 06:47 AM

Someone above said it best. Net Neutrality isn't a political issue to those who understand it. It's a technology issue. You either advocate for what's best for technology and innovation or you advocate for protecting old businesses using outdated infrastructure while charging people abysmal rates at a huge markup for shoddy service.

Techies understand that it's a huge benefit. Non-techies and old people have no clue and do what their party elders tell them to.

tfto · 12-16-2017, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Dumb dumb fake nick... prior to Obama doing the nn law the ISP were trying to throttle and block content. Its the fucking entire reason Obama had to classify them as title ii..

Jesus you guys will shill for anything aslong as your team says rah rah...

Hey Look!. It's Bladewire's fake nic!

Robbie · 12-16-2017, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

Before that, in this area, there were 2 choices for 20 years.

Respectfully...20 years ago would have been 1997 when cable first began rolling out fast internet.

That means your friend would have had dial up choices for ISP.
Earthlink, AOL, Mindspring, and dozens more.

I get what you are trying to say...but it wasn't for "20 years". Maybe he had only 2 choices for high-speed internet over the last 15 to 16 years?

I lived from 1998 to 2007 in tiny Greer, S.C. and I was in the online adult biz since 1996.

We were paying $1,200 a month for a T-1 line at our office in 1999 and were so happy to be able to get 1.5MB up and down.
Your friend COULD have done that as well. SDSL hit a few months later in our little town...we snapped that up and started getting 7MB up and down and thought we were in heaven! (with AL4A and AMPLAND as well as several paysites we owned back in those days we needed all the speed we could get)

Anyway, here are the actual numbers of people who don't have HIGH SPEED choices in the U.S.:
"More than 10.6 million US households have no access to wired Internet service with download speeds of at least 25Mbps, and an additional 46.1 million households live in areas with just one provider offering those speeds, a new analysis has found. That adds up to more than 56 million households lacking any high-speed broadband choice over wired connections. Even when counting access to fixed wireless connections, there are still nearly 50 million households with one 25Mbps provider or none at all."

Note that 25Mbps is the bar that this report is setting for "high speed broadband".
I'm guessing a lot of those people are in remote areas and have to use satellite.
I'm also going to say that 25Mbps is still pretty damn fast. I'm guessing faster than Rochard's free service that he uses.
When I check into hotel rooms they are capped at anywhere from 3 to 10 Mbps download.
So that would mean that hotels don't have "high-speed" broadband either. lol

Anyway...the reality is...the vast majority of places in the U.S. have had multiple ISP choices for broadband internet since at LEAST the mid 2000's.

Most people just use their cable company and "bundle" it with their t.v.

Which ALWAYS means that you can cut cable and go to Direct TV or DISH TV and use their slightly slower internet
DISH, for instance is 12 MB Not too bad.

So anyone on here claiming that anyone in the country only has ONE choice is just wrong. They ALWAYS have DISH, Direct TV, and even using their 4G connection with their phone as a "hotspot" (which is what I do at hotels). And in any area of the country that is not remote...that means they have cable, 2 satellite choices, and smart phone wifi choices at the bare minimum.

Herd · 12-16-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

I did not post this in this thread .... Damn, now we have FAKE POSTS ....
Why do you need to invent posts ?

It was in response to Robbie's post. I don't know how your name came up when I pressed his Quote button. Sorry.

directfiesta · 12-16-2017, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Herd

It was in response to Robbie's post. I don't know how your name came up when I pressed his Quote button. Sorry.

Ok, probably already the effects of net neutrality being gone ....

Robbie · 12-17-2017, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

Ok, probably already the effects of net neutrality being gone ....

Good one!

vanillaice · 12-17-2017, 10:09 AM

Time Warner owns CNN. Comcast owns MSNBC. I can't wait until the 2020 election when the same people who support the repeal are bitching because Brietbart or Fox News is slow and the "liberals control the internet now"

(of course, they'll be too stupid to realize the slowness is probably just a coincidence at the time, but they'll still think CNN and MSNBC sabotaged their shit)

Robbie · 12-17-2017, 10:27 AM

Who are all the people who "support" the repeal?
Don't mistake asking questions and pointing things out to people who seem hysterical... to be "support".

As for Fox News suddenly being throttled...why wasn't that happening 2 years ago or all the years before that?

So far I have seen 2 instances that people brought up in this thread of companies trying to leverage internet speed prior to 2 years ago.

In both cases...existing laws and competition took care of it.

That's not me "supporting" anything...that's just me pointing out what Al Gore might call an Uncomfortable Truth.

I AM of the opinion that we have too many laws on the books already.
And this wasn't even a law...it was a regulation imposed by unelected bureaucrats.

If the govt. wants to take control of the web...then CONGRESS should have the balls to do it.

Allowing unelected deep state bureaucrats to rule over us is a cheap way for Congress to avoid making decisions that might cost them votes.
AND it takes away OUR power as voters to vote people in or out based on these decisions.

Bladewire · 12-17-2017, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Who are all the people who "support" the repeal?
Don't mistake asking questions and pointing things out to people who seem hysterical... to be "support".

As for Fox News suddenly being throttled...why wasn't that happening 2 years ago or all the years before that?

So far I have seen 2 instances that people brought up in this thread of companies trying to leverage internet speed prior to 2 years ago.

In both cases...existing laws and competition took care of it.

That's not me "supporting" anything...that's just me pointing out what Al Gore might call an Uncomfortable Truth.

I AM of the opinion that we have too many laws on the books already.
And this wasn't even a law...it was a regulation imposed by unelected bureaucrats.

If the govt. wants to take control of the web...then CONGRESS should have the balls to do it.

Allowing unelected deep state bureaucrats to rule over us is a cheap way for Congress to avoid making decisions that might cost them votes.
AND it takes away OUR power as voters to vote people in or out based on these decisions.

You are so stupid Robbie and I honestly mean this in the kindest way possible.

xNetworx · 12-17-2017, 11:37 AM

So does anybody have a prediction if this will fuck over cam sites and the thousands of performers who work on them?

Robbie · 12-17-2017, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xNetworx

So does anybody have a prediction if this will fuck over cam sites and the thousands of performers who work on them?

I predict that it won't.
Cam sites were doing just fine and making a fortune for years and years before "Net Neutrality". Nothing changed when it was made a regulation two years ago...I don't believe anything will change for them now.

vanillaice · 12-17-2017, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Who are all the people who "support" the repeal?
Don't mistake asking questions and pointing things out to people who seem hysterical... to be "support".

As for Fox News suddenly being throttled...why wasn't that happening 2 years ago or all the years before that?

So far I have seen 2 instances that people brought up in this thread of companies trying to leverage internet speed prior to 2 years ago.

In both cases...existing laws and competition took care of it.

That's not me "supporting" anything...that's just me pointing out what Al Gore might call an Uncomfortable Truth.

I AM of the opinion that we have too many laws on the books already.
And this wasn't even a law...it was a regulation imposed by unelected bureaucrats.

If the govt. wants to take control of the web...then CONGRESS should have the balls to do it.

Allowing unelected deep state bureaucrats to rule over us is a cheap way for Congress to avoid making decisions that might cost them votes.
AND it takes away OUR power as voters to vote people in or out based on these decisions.

There are Trump fanboys who support this. I was actually thinking of people I know personally more than those in this thread.

As far as two years ago, that isn't true. The entire debate started mid 2000s because Comcast tried to throttle p2p sites. Comcast and TW have been battling the FCC over this issue until 2015 when it was finally settled - until now. However, up until that point, communication companies have actually tried to throttle or block during the windows of appeal, etc.

The FCC has maintained it wanted to keep a "free" internet for decades. ISPs always had them as their enemy whenever they tried. Now that they have their puppet leading the fcc, they will be able to do what they want without fear.

Regarding my examples, I was only half kidding. I doubt comcast would be that brazen to do something like that so soon after the ruling, but you know as soon as a right wing site goes does, Alex Jones is going to be blaming the liberals at Comcast.

Robbie · 12-17-2017, 09:44 PM

I think someone is always gonna try to pull a fast one.
And perhaps this regulation was a good thought.
But, agencies have too much power.
Congress needs to stop dodging things (which they have done for over 50 years) and cut out these "regulations" and start making real law.
They are supposed to be our representatives.

tony286 · 12-18-2017, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think someone is always gonna try to pull a fast one.
And perhaps this regulation was a good thought.
But, agencies have too much power.
Congress needs to stop dodging things (which they have done for over 50 years) and cut out these "regulations" and start making real law.
They are supposed to be our representatives.

You make a good point.

Tjeezers · 12-18-2017, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tfto

Here we go again!. You and your fake nic shit.

A better comeback would have been: It takes one to know one

Rochard · 12-18-2017, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

But, agencies have too much power.

LOL. Standard Republican platform line right there.

Bladewire · 12-18-2017, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trevesty

Robbie, I have a friend who started 2 ISP's here locally targeted towards rural customers but using existing ISP's wires - of course, he paid them for utilizing their property but was only allowed to do so because of Net Neutrality. This was only possible because of Title II classification. Before that, in this area, there were 2 choices for 20 years. His kids were set for college (wherever they wanted to go) and he began investing heavily in real estate. He's ALREADY (after a couple days) facing litigation from those ISP's he was purchasing from after the repeal of those regulations. Now he'll probably go bankrupt and live on government handouts. My lawyer is representing him and told a few of us that this person has had to put a bunch of homes on the market just to be able to HOPEFULLY afford the legal costs brought upon him by 2 big ISP's.

Also because of Title II, 3 local towns (20k and smaller) with their own power companies installed fiber that is 1gbps down / up for $30 per month to every resident and business (and it paid for itself in year 1). All 3 of those towns saw a boom in new residents, new businesses and new construction.

I live in one of the most red counties in the country...

There are those of us who have been advocating for Net Neutrality for 15 years for a lot of these reasons - it helps innovation, helps create NEW businesses (not just protect OLD ones), and helps grow the economy in the 21st Century. With respect, it appears you only started paying attention when it became a hot political issue on cable news.

Robbie will ignore your facts and try to divert your post to something irrelevant, this is his modus operandi. Distract, Deflect. Deflate, Divert.

Robbie will sink with the ship, as any cuck does, to his own demise.

Robbie · 12-18-2017, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochatrd

LOL. Standard Republican platform line right there.

So you don't believe in Democracy? You don't believe that Congress is supposed to make law and answer to us...the people?
You are a real piece of work.

Rochard · 12-18-2017, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

So you don't believe in Democracy? You don't believe that Congress is supposed to make law and answer to us...the people?
You are a real piece of work.

This is just insane.

Listen to yourself. Yes, Congress answers to us, the people. But there was no vote by the people to kill Net Neutrality. There was no vote by Congress to kill Net Neutraility. The FCC, run by an official appointed by Trump, made this decision without a vote by the people, and without a vote by Congress. Nearly everyone is against this, but they did it anyhow.

It's just like the Jerusalem decision all over again. Everyone is against Trump's decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. NO ONE is for this. Today the UN voted on a resolution against this and the only country to vote against the resolution was the United States.

This is just insane. Our president has a choice between the right decision and the wrong decision, and every time he makes the wrong decision.

The best part is that you blindly believe in everything Trump does without question. You brag about how big your connection is, but don't come crying to us when you Netlix spends thirty seconds to buffer because Netflix refuses to pay your ISP it's blackmail fee.

Bladewire · 12-18-2017, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

This is just insane.

I love Robbie but his politics is just plain stupidity

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trevesty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 3,802	Someone above said it best. Net Neutrality isn't a political issue to those who understand it. It's a technology issue. You either advocate for what's best for technology and innovation or you advocate for protecting old businesses using outdated infrastructure while charging people abysmal rates at a huge markup for shoddy service. Techies understand that it's a huge benefit. Non-techies and old people have no clue and do what their party elders tell them to.

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vanillaice Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 512	Time Warner owns CNN. Comcast owns MSNBC. I can't wait until the 2020 election when the same people who support the repeal are bitching because Brietbart or Fox News is slow and the "liberals control the internet now" (of course, they'll be too stupid to realize the slowness is probably just a coincidence at the time, but they'll still think CNN and MSNBC sabotaged their shit)

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,959	Who are all the people who "support" the repeal? Don't mistake asking questions and pointing things out to people who seem hysterical... to be "support". As for Fox News suddenly being throttled...why wasn't that happening 2 years ago or all the years before that? So far I have seen 2 instances that people brought up in this thread of companies trying to leverage internet speed prior to 2 years ago. In both cases...existing laws and competition took care of it. That's not me "supporting" anything...that's just me pointing out what Al Gore might call an Uncomfortable Truth. I AM of the opinion that we have too many laws on the books already. And this wasn't even a law...it was a regulation imposed by unelected bureaucrats. If the govt. wants to take control of the web...then CONGRESS should have the balls to do it. Allowing unelected deep state bureaucrats to rule over us is a cheap way for Congress to avoid making decisions that might cost them votes. AND it takes away OUR power as voters to vote people in or out based on these decisions.

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