Pete

I own a new TGP site and would like to get some opinions on whether I should set up some blind text links with traffic trading script and trade traffic or have no blind links at all and rely on surfers coming back. My goal of course is to generate as much traffic as possible.

deluxe

I am also just starting a tgp, it's up thursday just send me the adres of yours, and we can exchange links!

i really thing you should not use blindlinks and all... im against all that screwing the server crap! It's just like the hun says, if you dont screw the server with pop ups and blind links day keep coming back, offcourse you can make a quick few bucks with it but if you really want to become big, you should trust on the surfer to keep coming back and tell all his friends what he found!

mail me: [email protected]

regards,

Tom

deluxe

WOW im sorry for the bad english....

im completely stoned at the moment, but it will go over someday...

regards,

tom

Captain P

That question is as old as TGP's I would guess. All I can say is that if you really want to run a clean TGP and let the surfers get to know you..... then you better have a lot of fuckin' time on your hands... and you better be independently wealthy so you can pay your bills for the first 4 or 5 years of your venture.
Blind links are bad but maybe you could find some middle ground. Add trades to your daily list but tell surfers that the links are other TGP's. Hell, you can make them sound even more appealing than the gallery by using a descrip. like... " 12 pics of some whore plus hundreds more links". Just an idea.

Wanda

I have to disagree with Cap. about the 4 or 5 years. A friend of mine started her own TGP and her traffic is pretty fucking good, she uses no scripts, and her traffic is growing pretty fast. Over the last few months she has made maybe only $400 or $500 a month, but still, for starting out, that is not bad. However, she also builds her traffic by making galleries every day and submitting them. Blind links are not the answer. Just like any job, a little BS&T and hard work goes a long way in the end.

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MaestroJJP

The whole "being kind to surfers" thing is quite debatable, as well. I suppose with a TGP, maybe ... but the general rule is to make a sale, any way possible. A lot of sites use the principle that, these free sites suck so bad that they'll sign up just to get away from all the bullshit. Blind links and things like that are almost necessary to get some good cash anymore, but, like I said, it all depends on the type of site.

Warphead

Blind links are the easy answer, but not the only one. There are lots of good sites out there that keep the blind-links reasonable.

You just have to decide if you want to grow fast, or really build a following. I don't have any blind links at all and 65-75% of my traffic is from bookmarks. It's taken me a long time, and it will be a long time before I'm really big - but I make pretty good money and I'm running a site I'm proud of.

Also remember that blind links mostly just bloat your numbers. Your stats will be higher but the amount of traffic you send to your list and sponsers won't go up as much.

I mean what do you do when you're at a TGP and click "20 pics TEEN" and another TGP pops up instead? You close it. The TGP got a hit, but nothing on the page got clicked.

All I'm saying if you want to do it without blinds, it can be done - but if your goal is to get big numbers so you can charge more for ad space, blind link away.

Pete

Let me say this. I have been feeding my new TGP site traffic from several other sites via exit traffic which I will continue to do and I feed it traffic from my galleries I submit every day which yesterday got a total of 218,000 hits. 4000+ of which was sent to my TGP. My traffic has grown by about 2000 uniques per day in 3 weeks. Thats without trading any traffic. I thought that if I traded traffic these numbers would rise even faster. Well I guess they would, but like you say, blind link traffic is shit traffic. Looks good on paper but the actual productivity sucks. I think I will give it another month or so and see how it goes. If I provide good quality galleries with no blind links and expose my site the way I think I can, than the surfers should come back. If not....fuck'em, I'll trade traffic :-))

Makaveli

If you give Tgp surfers lots of good content to look at they will bookmark and come back even with a few blind links in the gallery list to trade with ;-))

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Killerelf

I am just starting out really. I don't like the way all the free stuff works. I had somebody tell me that they do not pay for anything on the internet because there is no reason to. Is that the general mentality. And if so is that what the future of this biz holds. And if nobody pays for anything anymore will anybody still make it all. My head hurt leave me alone
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xApster

The only problem with bookmarkers is they expect free porn and do not buy porn. I bet most people who buy memberships on TGP's are newbies not loyal visitors..

So when you have loyal visitors if you do not trade traffic you can not use these useless bookmakers to get fresh (potentialy CC users) traffic.

Thats my opinion.. use ucj and have 80% of ur clicks go to the gallery and 20% to ur trades.. works well as well as grows u fast without screwing surfers that much if u make sure all the sites you trade with are just as good quality as your self.

Makaveli

Good Post...

Mikey

Pete-

Keep us posted. I would be interested in knowing how your traffic grows once you start trading.

Pete

Bookmark surfers expect free porn and dont want to buy it? I disagree. Most surfers originate from bookmarks and all the sites jerk that surfer around to different sites. Whether its your customer or someone elses, the quality of surfer stays pretty much the same.

I am still trying to decide if I should trade or not. I will let you know how it goes.

xApster

think about it a person who is jerked around for 1 hour will eventualy need porn and probably by a membership where as a person who just keeps finding more and more free porn will be probably not need to by a membership.

Warphead

Pete,

Don't forget you can trade traffic without blind-links. A little "check out my friends" table will do pretty well in a good spot. Also if you're trading with UCJ sites you can get a good return because your traffic will be productive. I usually get more than 150% back from good UCJ sites like Snaggleporn. That way you can get the best of both worlds.

xApster said you need to keep some fresh traffic coming in and he's right about that. I have a lot of bookmarkers, I get quite a bit of SE traffic and some clicks from recips - but if i ever want to double the bookmarkers I've got to get some exposure to new surfers.

If I trade 400 to Snag then get 600 back, and only 10% like my site enough to bookmark - that's 60 people added to "my traffic" a day. I'd hope that more than 10% likes my site, but even if they don't 60 a day will add up to 1800 "new regulars" in a month. Then if I also trade with 4 other sites, it builds up.

Find some sites and trade some and see how it goes. Come to my site and trade, if you decide you don't like it my feelings won't be hurt.
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Pete

Warphead, I am changing my site over to Candid Hosting as we speak. I am also adding X-3 script as we speak. It will be down probably all of tomorrow and will be back up and running by friday night. I will add your link to my list when that happens. Ya, I wont be using many blind links at all. I am giving that site enought traffic that I can handle even large trades without using a shit load of blinds.

Pete

Ok, well I might use a couple blind links but thats it. If anyone else wants to trade let me know and I will you to my site

boneprone

you need to do both.. contact me for a trade when you get some traffic.

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drunkinmonk

i wanna run a TGP my self one day.. maybe this year where theres no ads at all and no blinds. I got the bandwidth to do it but i jsut worry about getting the traffic. Anyone know how i can start building stedy traffic for it where i dont have to resort to making blind links and popups and stuff.

Warphead

Drunkinmonk,

How ya gonna make money with no ads?

drunkinmonk

no ads yet.. but ads like in the future after i build up 1 million visitors per day!.. i can only dream :P

playa

i gotta agree with xApster....

bookmark traffic is good for trading traffic.....they usually won't buy a membership......
but then again these penis sponsers and other non porno sponsers are becoming popular...trying to make a sale from them bookmarkers

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Mikey

Playa is right. Try to sell them something beyond porn. They can get all they need for free from your tgp, but they can't get soemthing that will make their dick 2 inches bigger unless they pay for it.

Crutch

I was searching for something and came across this thread. Great information here! Thought i would give my 2cents.

On my site, i never blind link my movies galleries. Not to say i won't in the future, but so far i see no need for it. I created 4 tables, 2 on each side, and i added a few blind links into two of those tables. Most surfers aren't dumb, and they usually get the clue where the blinds links on porn pages are. If they do happen to click on a blind link and you send them to a quality site where they get good content, they'll begin to trust your blind links. I know that sounds silly, but it's true. I had 4 sites i was trading with, and the productivity was great for my exit traffic.

I haven't began to "hide" the url when a surfer rolls his mouse over the link, cause i'm not ashamed where i'm sending him. I believe they respect that. There most inclined to get curious and click on that link and surf the other page giving the other webmaster clicks.

Through most of this experiment, i noticed a lot of outgoing clicks in one of my tables containing some of the blind links. I couldn't figure out why till i got a random email saying he like the sites i was "blindly" linking to. He'll tell one person, then that person will tell another, and so on. Thus creating a pethra of good surfers.

So over a few weeks, i studied my server logs like a hawk and i notice that people were click on everything on my page, where as before, they weren't. I believe it's because over time, there not scare to. The key to success in this business is a simple click.

So i think that gaining the trust of the surfer is the key. Blind links aren't bad, but having your surfers enjoy clicking on them and on top that, following through on the next site with clicks on that site, everyone wins.

Although this takes a lot of time for the sufer not be scared of clicking on a link on your page...but i think it's time well invested.

Unfortunatley, everything is coming down on my page..links, etc, since i have to port my code to php. But i found out what works for me on gaining true loyal surfers. Once they trust, they click on anything you put in there face. And that's the goal.

Trust + loyaty = clicks = good ratios = $$$$$

Now to get this shitty asp crap over to php to get back in the game. Anyone for hire?

Crutch

Exxxotica

Nice post crutch.

I originaly started out my movie site like that too...no blind links..give the surfer what he's after. Total quality.

My experience seemed to be different though. I was getting a lot of traffic...but making very little money with the site. I was making 3 times as much with my much smaller pic site.

I gave up...added blind links and dialers...now Im making some good money with it.

I just cant see surfers paying for porn...when you give it to them for free.

Exxxotica http://www.exotic-princess.com

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Keyser

How are you guys running your TGP? Isn't UCJ a few hundred bucks? That's a little steep for me right now if it is. I'm using AutoGallery Pro and it sucks balls. I wish it was easier to customize my page. I am thinking about going to manual updating. Also, I can't find a good referrer list. The one I have resets to nothing, I mean I lose all the referrs. It's fucked.

The good thing is that I've gone from 30 hits a day to around 700-1000 and I'm only getting about 50 from referrers since my script is fucked. I think I have about 50% book markers. Hmm...

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Exxxotica

A few hundred bucks? Try $1200

Crutch

Exxxotica, thanks.
I can see your point on the site making money. I thought of that as well. But, i have a different story. I've got a few paysites the keep the money coming in. Although the overall goal is to make cash, i'm also willing to sacrifice some time to gain the loyalty as i explained above. So my mindframe is is coming from a paysite point of view. I see what converts and that's what i run with.

Keyser,
I wish i could point you in a good direction. I had my TGP script made. I couldn't find a script that would allow the functionality i was looking for. In other words, I didn't ever want to have to touch the my html pages or have to update daily, etc. So i do everything from the admin and the site runs itself. I was so frustrated for so long on the TGP script deal till i bit the bullet and fork over the cash. It's better save some money and shell out for custom work for long term piece of mind with your site. In my opinion of course

As far as UCJ, i dont know really to much about them. I looked into them one time, but saw some list of rules and went elsewhere. Not that i didnt agree with them, but 1,200 and having to follow rule didnt make sense to me. I dont even know if UCJ = CJ etc, it's all to confusing if you ask me.
But i hear they have a great product. So you may want to try them out.

Here's what i would do. I would write a list on your perfect TGP script, and get some qoutes. Worry about traffic management later. As you see from some of the posts, some people dont even use them.

Crutch