aico

Swimming with stingrays is not life threatening and is VERY common for scuba divers, it was a fluke accident.

aico

Oh you agree? lol, aren't you superior, it's a fucking fact you idiot, it's not an agree or disagree statement.

Tylo

Your an idiot! He didn't provoke it! He didn't even know it was there, they said it was berried under the sand and when Steve swam over it he caught its spine.

The man did more in 15 years then most of you haters will do in your lifetime.

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bl4h

Hey if anyone deserved death it was those who went out and got killed mimicking steve irwin :| see: natural slection

L-Pink

Steve was a nice guy, had a nice family, loved nature, etc ...........

BUT, his habit of invading the space of other living things was not something to emulate. His "Robin Williams" approach had bad ending written all over it.

Watching, reporting, appreciating from a distance is one thing.

I grew up in Florida and was PROPERLY taught not to INVADE THE SPACE of alligators, sharks, stingrays, spiders, snakes, and bikers at Daytona Beach.

Imagine him grabbing a guy from a bar, talking wildly in his face, probing, teasing ..... Sad as it is, someone finally kicked his ass.

mikesouth

Apparently YOU are the idiot.

he knew it was there...they were filming it and he was swimming with it. Nice try though....

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jasonir

If you're going to call someone an idiot, learn to spell "You're", dumbass.

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jasonir

Hear, hear! Exactly on the point!

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spunkmaster

He wasn't "riding" a stingray ?

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mikesouth

The way I see it Steve does deserve an award...a Darwin Award

but he wouldn't qualify, as he has already procreated. Better late than never I guess

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Tylo

Why is it that whenever ass clown hate mongers gets offended by what other people say when they are the ones that start a stupid thread, they have to go to the spelling something correctly angel to save face?

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jasonir

Why is it that whenever fanboys like you try to make their smartass argument, they can't spell worth a shit? Maybe it's because they're uneducated morons? Maybe it shows?

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L-Pink

Really? He was not at Seaworld ......

Obstruct the forward progress (photographer) decend from above (Steve) and you have natural survival skills kick in ....

This was an accident for Steve ..... It was DUH? for the stingray .......

Re: link ... How much do you want to bet a wavier is signed BEFORE the divers pet any stingrays ?

jasonir

Oh and in case you clowns missed it, they were filming, surrounding, and thus provoking the ray...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5314918.stm

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It was just his time to die, why you all say - deserve?

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bl4h

"Though armed with a venom-coated, sharp barb on their tail, stingrays only use the weapon defensively and attacks on humans are extremely rare."

All the stories say he was along side it and not provoking

If you got attacked and killed by a dog while passing one on the street.. would you be just as stupid?

L-Pink

My name is Steve, I am about to surprise a dangerous _____ in it's natural habitat. It has no idea I'm here, what I am, or that I won't eat it.

jasonir

Since you are the one comparing dogs to stingrays, I think you're just as stupid.

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baddog

hate that it is you that I am quoting, but you are right

bl4h

I shouldnt waste my time thinking for you, but ill help you this time

its an analogy

aico

How much you wanna bet you sign a waiver before any paid scuba diving excursion?

baddog

Okay, I have been driving for the last 3 days, so I had very few details . . . something was just told to me.

Apparently, the camerman is who spooked the stingray, and when it backed up away from him it stabbed Irwin.

If this is accurate, was it still deserved?

baddog

Almost makes Michael jackson seem sane by comparison (think: baby, balcony)

jasonir

Ever heard of a dog, one which you would nonchalantly pass on the street, mauling a full grown man to death?

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Temp1

What he said.

There are plenty of evil people in this world; Steve Irwin wasn't one of them.

bl4h

Yeah and whats the chances of dieing from a stingray barb to the HEART.

mrthumbs

Well anything that can shoot a sharp object inches in yuor body is life threatening. Its just a matter of statistics.. the ball will hit green once every while and if you play long enough it will when you least expect it.

swami

another mike south talking out of his ass thread

Libertine

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Gee, why don't you go experiment and let us know, since you seem to think it's so unlikely.

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jasonir

Trust me on this one: Darwin is out to get you.

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mikesouth

If his show encouraged people to interact with wild animals
that result in people dying, consider it Darwin at work. People
of any passing intelligence know better than to cuddle a bear or
shark, no matter how successfuly Erwin may have been at it. If
others are too stupid to understand the risk, let Darwin do his
work. We already have too many stupid people breeding, anything
that will reduce their numbers is good.

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Scott McD

I can't agree with that. I know a few assholes who truely deserve it.


For the record though, i'm not talking about Steve Irwin. He was good people...

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SongRider

What a fucking dumbass you are.

Steve didnt "play" with animals. He worked to protect them and educate people about them.

He jumped on the backs of crocs & grabbed deadly snakes in an effort to move them from people or populated areas or in some way help the animal or educate people without using drugs which could kill them. And he damn well knew what he was doing because THAT never killed him.

He also brought awareness to millions about those animals that we endangered and also VERY dangerous. THAT'S called EDUCATING people on wild animals. He NEVER once said "go do what I do for the hell of it".

How the fuck do you think YOU know whats deadly and what isnt? It's because of people like him that have taught people over the years.

And what finally got him was a complete accident.... and if you would look into it just a little bit you would find that it happens to divers ALOT. But most times isn't fatal. It was where he got hit that killed him.

And just because he had compassion for the animals doesent mean that he thought they had compassion for him. He respected there right to live and die without causing them harm.

The outpouring of sympathy is from people that are smart enough to understand why he did what he did.

So its perfectly understandable why you don't.

Libertine

Trust me on this one: you are a borderline retarded twat who clearly is unable to deal with actual facts.

Let me spell it out for you. Irwin had a vast knowledge of those animals he dealt with most, and was fully aware of the risks and how to minimize them. Almost everything in his shows was spectacular to look at (and indeed produced to look that way), but relatively safe since Irwin knew exactly what he was dealing with.

In the accident leading to his death, Irwin was dealing with a situation with which he was less familiar, but which generally speaking is quite safe. The accident was a fluke (described by an expert on stingrays as a "one in a million chance"), and by no means indicates recklessness on his part.

Saying he "deserved it" is like saying a race car driver who gets killed by a drunk driver while driving his Volvo on a normal freeway "deserved it".

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mikesouth

Oh ya....he taught people about animals

"My name is Steve, I am about to surprise a dangerous _____ in it's natural habitat. It has no idea I'm here, what I am, or that I won't eat it."

somehow I think that quote L-Pink Posted kinda sums it up

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tree

when you fuck with dangerous animals, you take a chance of getting hurt.

I am surprised it took this long, but to say he didnt accomplish anything or that he "got what he deserved" is just sigwhoring idiocy

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He founded the Steve Irwin Conservation Foundation which is at the forefront of protecting habitats and wildlife, creating rescue programs for some of Australia's most beloved creatures, as well as the leading in scientific research that will help save endangered species for generations to come.

Steve helped found the International Crocodile Rescue. For decades he has been on the front lines of crocodile management programs in Queensland, and around the world. Steve does everything in his power to keep rogue crocodiles alive and well, including sacrificing himself.

In memory of his wonderful mother, Steve founded the Lyn Irwin Memorial Fund. All donations go directly to the Iron Bark Station Wildlife Rehabilitation Center with 3,450 acres of wildlife sanctuary. He also owns 83,000 acres of endangered Acacia Woodland in southwestern Queensland called Westbore and started the Brigalow Belt Conservation Project. That?s not all. Steve is buying up enormous portions of Australia for the sole purpose of conserving habitats for wildlife.

Steve Irwin is responsible for starting endangered species breeding programs for the Southern Cassowary, Koalas, Fijian Crested Iguanas, Bilby Rhinoceros Iguanas, Galapagos Giant Land Tortoises, Aldabran Giant Land Tortoises, Mary River Turtles, Peregrine Falcons, Komodo Dragons, and Irwins Turtles -- a newly-discovered breed named after Steve himself. He has also established breeding programs for such vulnerable species as Tasmanian Devils, Wombats, Echidnas, Red Kangaroos, Asian Small-Clawed Otters, Queensland Womas, Death Adders, Rusty Monitors, Canopy Goannas, Yakka Skinks, Reticulated Pythons, Burmese Pythons, Australian Green Pythons, Sea Snakes, Black Cockatoos, Jabirus, Curlews, and his beloved Saltwater Crocodiles.

Steve has helped fund field studies for scores of species of crocodilians, lizards, snakes, mammals, and birds in order to help stave off their habitat destruction and learn exactly what it is those species need to survive. Even today we are learning things we never knew about all sorts of animals, all because of Steve Irwin's work. He is also responsible for the rescue and well-being of thousands upon thousands of animals from all around Australia. His devotion of wildlife and conservation cannot be questioned.

mikesouth

Steve Irwin didn't deserve it huh? And he was such an expert in animal behavior right? And what he did was "relatively safe" right? Maybe the awareness he should have brought was how many times he was actually attacked...heres a list I found.

This illustrious list includes:

* A 4-ft komodo dragon (while in Sumatra);
* A tree snake that fell into his boat and bit him repeatedly;
* A Reticulated Python. Retics can be constrictive, but this particular snake only seemed interested in biting;
* A number of cockatoos and parrots. According to Irwin, "for some reason parrots have to bite me. That's their job. I don't know why that is. They've nearly torn my nose off. I've had some really bad parrot bites."
* Several lizards, a pair of Tokay Geckos and a Perenti goanna;
* A python (captured on film in the first season of Crocodile Hunter, Episode 2);
* Many alligators;
* There are 23 different species of crocodile, and as far as I can tell he's been bitten by all of them, including:
o Graham, one of the crocodiles at the Australia Zoo. Graham gripped Steve's hand and dragged him underwater, but Steve managed to ease his way out. (This was caught on film in an episode named "Graham's Revenge.");
o Agro, another resident of the Australia Zoo who attacked Steve while he was mowing the lawn;
o Toolmaker, a 6-ft female crocodile at the Australia Zoo, who bit him for the hell of it;
o Anthony, one of the crocodiles that Steve, the Australian Army and the World Society for the Protection of Animals rescued and sheltered in East Timor (also caught on film in a Crocodile Hunter episode).
* A bearded dragon, which bit Irwin on the nose.

Steve has been struck in the face with the venom of a spitting cobra in Masai, kicked by a cassowary, groped by a baby orangutang and licked on the face by a fierce snake. He insists, "Although I've taken a few bites, it's always been my mistake, not the animal's."

Oh ya he deserved it...begged for it even. at least he acknowledged that HE was the dumbass.

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tony286

A few things he become famous on TV because he played with danger, thats what viewing public wants to see. So there must of been pressure on him to do things more over the top. Its funny people blame him for being reckless but when working in a industry where is its proven condoms are the only real protection against HIV but the industry doesn't use them because the public doesnt want to see it. Are we really much different from poor Steve?

SilverTab

so, the core of your "theory" is that since he was doing something dangerous, he deserved to die?? what really made him "deserve" death??

There is a difference between saying "It was likely to happen considering what he was doing" And "He deserved to die"...Deserving to die mean you were doing something so wrong that had a negative impact of such importance that you just don't deserve to live....child rapist...serial killers...etc...

Irwin was saving crocs, manipulating dangerous animals for his documentaries/tv shows, taking care of his zoo, hugging snakes etc..sure some may consider it stupid..I mean there is a risk involved, no one is denying that...still, I can think of several people who "deserve" more to die just right now...

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QuaWee

now that's fucked up. your acting as if he was murdering animals

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mikesouth

just because mother nature doesn't choose to kill off someone based on a how much he deserved to die basis, she does, nonetheless, generally weed out the stupid.

matter of fact I suspect being stupid is a much better criteria than anything else as to when you will join Mr Irwin in that eternal celestial dirt nap.

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SilverTab

again...you are confusing "likely to happen" with "deserving it".....

Your list only prove that it was very likely to happen...

What are you trying to prove? Everyone know he was doing dangerous things...so are race car pilots...and boxers...and every now and then...a boxer dies in the ring, or a pilot on a track....Did they deserve it?

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Libertine

Actually, YOU are the dumbass. Yes, he was an expert on animal behaviour. He spent over 30 years handling dangerous animals on a daily basis. And yes, what he did was relatively safe. He handled and captured crocodiles many thousands of times, and yet none of the animals he handled on a daily basis killed him. What cost him his life was a fluke accident.

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Libertine

You should start fearing for your life then

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mikesouth

one killed him and it wasnt an accident on the part of the stingray defending itself

kinda reminds me of the jokes about a rednecks last words...

reckon just beforehand Steve said "Y'all watch this"

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L-Pink

I don't think Mike WANTED him dead. I don't think Mike is glad he's dead.

Steve Irwin's style did earn him a "death by nature"

Libertine

Actually, an animal he wasn't an expert on killed him. He was an expert on reptiles living on land.

Also, getting killed by the stingray was clearly an accident. Stingrays aren't generally considered extremely dangerous animals. To quote an expert: "It's a one-in-a-million thing." (source)

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mikesouth

Of course i didnt want him dead nor am I glad he is dead.

Consider me a lot like the stingray that killed him...Its just really irrelevant

Now the good thing would be if people would learn from it and recognize that maybe he was entertaining but what he did was often patently stupid and it earned him his death.

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