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After Shock Media · 12-31-2008, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420

I wouldn't be the one to ask for that. Destroying evidence can be a big mistake in the long run.

And about what you tell your lawyer...........ALWAYS TELL YOUR LAWYER THE TRUTH.

They cant defend you if you lie to them, and their paid to defend you wether or not they know you're guilty. They dont care, just tell them the truth. Thy'll probobly tell you to never repeat it again.

Unless the truth is about if you can REALLY afford the bill when all is said and done.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Unless the truth is about if you can REALLY afford the bill when all is said and done.

They got payment plans...

don't they...

Spieglergirls · 12-31-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by x Shady x

I'm thinking about it. Don't worry.

Don't post them!!!

That could be used as further proof that YOU were the one that initially sent the IMs!!!!

(And don't e-mail them to anyone either).

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Spieglergirls

Don't post them!!!

That could be used as further proof that YOU were the one that initially sent the IMs!!!!

(And don't e-mail them to anyone either).

No, I won't post the actual conversations. I don't even have them. I meant to post what the whole case is based upon.

skrinkladoo · 12-31-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by x Shady x

I agree. So if the attorney did ask if they were sent by me.. what would be the proper answer?

Tell your attorney the truth, leave out no details - be clear, tell them everything, tell them too much. Seriously.

Listen bro. The question you just asked me suggests guilt. So maybe less of that.

The rest of the world should know the following.
note: where you see me, think of YOU.

*** If you see me on a camera and on the camera you clearly see my face, and you deem what i am doing is incorrect in any fashion. It wasnt me. ***

If your worried about being questioned, tell them "i want to speak with my attorney" and answer each question they have 1-2 words should be good, in between each question asked respond "i want to speak with my attorney" (repeat), your attorney will thank you.

-or-

provide your identification information respectfully, and then the answer to every question they ask is "i want to speak with my attorney" and nothing more. Excluding the fact you MUST properly identify yourself you have the right to have your attorney present for any and all questioning. Including what is your favorite color, ya dig. (if your unsure of yourself in any way choose this option, its 100% not an omission of guilt, its your right)

Good Luck.

jmcb420 · 12-31-2008, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by x Shady x

They got payment plans...

don't they...

Never used em, so i'm not sure. But with any luck..........

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skrinkladoo

Tell your attorney the truth, leave out no details - be clear, tell them everything, tell them too much. Seriously.

Listen bro. The question you just asked me suggests guilt. So maybe less of that.

The rest of the world should know the following.
note: where you see me, think of YOU.

*** If you see me on a camera and on the camera you clearly see my face, and you deem what i am doing is incorrect in any fashion. It wasnt me. ***

If your worried about being questioned, tell them "i want to speak with my attorney" and answer each question they have 1-2 words should be good, in between each question asked respond "i want to speak with my attorney" (repeat), your attorney will thank you.

-or-

provide your identification information respectfully, and then the answer to every question they ask is "i want to speak with my attorney" and nothing more. Excluding the fact you MUST properly identify yourself you have the right to have your attorney present for any and all questioning. Including what is your favorite color, ya dig. (if your unsure of yourself in any way choose this option, its 100% not an omission of guilt, its your right)

Good Luck.

Thanks, a lot. Never got in trouble with the law before.. never though I would. Pretty amazing what pissing off the wrong people can do.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:27 AM

Not sure if you guys can give me a straight answer on this.. but just asking so I can sleep a little better tonight..

What about emails?

skrinkladoo · 12-31-2008, 12:29 AM

dont post anything to this board man, dont think about it - thats a real bad idea ... not to mention, i dont know what you did - i like it that way, if its real bad - id prefer not to be an accessory after the fact.

i promise this is true. The worst part of a case is you, you inside your mind - stop, breath, drink, fuck, shit, live. Live like nothings gonna really happen. In the end, you will wonder why did i worry. Relax, go on a vacation for a few days, nothing wrong with that.

jmcb420 · 12-31-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by x Shady x

Not sure if you guys can give me a straight answer on this.. but just asking so I can sleep a little better tonight..

What about emails?

Bad news. Eat a few tylenol pm's and call a lawyer in the morning, e-mail = not great

beerptrol · 12-31-2008, 12:32 AM

Your best bet would be to talk to an attorney. I bet in certain crimes they can be used against you

jmcb420 · 12-31-2008, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skrinkladoo

dont post anything to this board man, dont think about it - thats a real bad idea ... not to mention, i dont know what you did - i like it that way, if its real bad - id prefer not to be an accessory after the fact.

i promise this is true. The worst part of a case is you, you inside your mind - stop, breath, drink, fuck, shit, live. Live like nothings gonna really happen. In the end, you will wonder why did i worry. Relax, go on a vacation for a few days, nothing wrong with that.

That is some really good advice. I would follow those statements to the tee.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jmcb420

Bad news. Eat a few tylenol pm's and call a lawyer in the morning, e-mail = not great

Emails, not good? Meaning, not good for me?

No Tylenol PM's.. sadly. Got a few painkillers though.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skrinkladoo

dont post anything to this board man, dont think about it - thats a real bad idea ... not to mention, i dont know what you did - i like it that way, if its real bad - id prefer not to be an accessory after the fact.

i promise this is true. The worst part of a case is you, you inside your mind - stop, breath, drink, fuck, shit, live. Live like nothings gonna really happen. In the end, you will wonder why did i worry. Relax, go on a vacation for a few days, nothing wrong with that.

I really do want to relax. But it's hard. I worked hard to get where I am now, a month ago I was flying high, it looks like the New Year might have a sad beginning.

skrinkladoo · 12-31-2008, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by x Shady x

I really do want to relax. But its hard. I worked hard to get where I am now, a month ago I was flying high, it looks like the New Year might have a sad beginning.

I understand what you feel. Try not to become your own worst enemy on this. Try to think positively. If you think this is you go to prison crime, don't believe the fucking hype you see on TV.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skrinkladoo

I understand what you feel. Try not to become your own worst enemy on this. Try to think positively. If you think this is you go to prison crime, don't believe the fucking hype you see on TV.

I'll try. Thanks a lot man.

EscortBiz · 12-31-2008, 12:54 AM

remember this the past is the past the current will be the past soon and the future is not here yet so stop worrying and get some good sleep

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by EscortBiz

remember this the past is the past the current will be the past soon and the future is not here yet so stop worrying and get some good sleep

Thanks man

raymor · 12-31-2008, 12:13 PM

The good news is that whatever you did you probably won't get
more than probation. Unless you a) attack the cop who is arresting
your or b) kill someone, most people imagine a much greater punishment
than they actually get.

Your emails and IMs can certainly be used against you, though your
lawyer can try a couple of things to keep them out if the prosecutor
isn't very good.

If you reformat your hard drive and say it wasn't you, the computer geek who
looks at your computer after it's brought in for evidence will easily find your IMs,
proving you to be a complete liar who has tried to destroy evidence.
That destruction of evidence, aka obstruction of justice, may well be
a worse crime that whatever you are accused of. Remember, most politicians
and corporate big wigs you see on the news end up getting busted for
obstruction, not for the initial crime. Nixon resigned as he was being
indicted fro obstruction of justice, Clinton's impeachment vote was on
obstruction charges, and Scooter Libby is in prison right now for obstruction -
hiding or destroying evidence. Format your drive now and you're guilty
obstruction whether or not you're guilty of anything else.

Your lawyer could decide to claim that either a) you didn't send the messages
or b) someone altered the messages to have a different meaning than what you
intended, but they'll do that AFTER they ensure that the prosecutor isn't going
to get their hands on your computer. They could also try to keep the evidence
out on grounds of hearsay or chain of custody and authenticity. A good
prosecutor will win that fight and get them in, though. See:
http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/20...ay-exceptions/

It'll be pretty easy to show that the IMs came from you, also, assuming it's a
conversation and not just a couple sentences. Many times I, who am not even
an expert, have shown who wrote something like that based on characteristics
of the writing. For example, in this thread you've used ellipses (...) several times.
Few people use ellipses regularly, but far fewer "misspell" their ellipses by using
only two dots. (An ellipsis has three dots, ... , just as a colon : has two and a
period has one.) Some people use ellipses correctly, some people use them
where a comma should be, and a few people use them where a period should be.
You tend to throw in an ellipsis at almost random points, where no punctuation
should be at all. Your IM conversation probably has four or five such identifiable characteristics which, when combined, make it pretty certain that you are the
person who wrote them. I use the example of the ellipses because they'll stick
out to the lawyers and judge, who regularly see them used correctly, as part of
a quote, and probably use ellipses themselves when quoting. Your writing surely
has other distinguishing features which wouldn't be quite as obvious to a lawyer.

Also note you have publicly admitted that you wrote the IMs right here on this board.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raymor

The good news is that whatever you did you probably won't get
more than probation. Unless you a) attack the cop who is arresting
your or b) kill someone, most people imagine a much greater punishment
than they actually get.

Your emails and IMs can certainly be used against you, though your
lawyer can try a couple of things to keep them out if the prosecutor
isn't very good.

If you reformat your hard drive and say it wasn't you, the computer geek who
looks at your computer after it's brought in for evidence will easily find your IMs,
proving you to be a complete liar who has tried to destroy evidence.
That destruction of evidence, aka obstruction of justice, may well be
a worse crime that whatever you are accused of. Remember, most politicians
and corporate big wigs you see on the news end up getting busted for
obstruction, not for the initial crime. Nixon resigned as he was being
indicted fro obstruction of justice, Clinton's impeachment vote was on
obstruction charges, and Scooter Libby is in prison right now for obstruction -
hiding or destroying evidence. Format your drive now and you're guilty
obstruction whether or not you're guilty of anything else.

Your lawyer could decide to claim that either a) you didn't send the messages
or b) someone altered the messages to have a different meaning than what you
intended, but they'll do that AFTER they ensure that the prosecutor isn't going
to get their hands on your computer. They could also try to keep the evidence
out on grounds of hearsay or chain of custody and authenticity. A good
prosecutor will win that fight and get them in, though. See:
http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/20...ay-exceptions/

It'll be pretty easy to show that the IMs came from you, also, assuming it's a
conversation and not just a couple sentences. Many times I, who am not even
an expert, have shown who wrote something like that based on characteristics
of the writing. For example, in this thread you've used ellipses (...) several times.
Few people use ellipses regularly, but far fewer "misspell" their ellipses by using
only two dots. (An ellipsis has three dots, ... , just as a colon : has two and a
period has one.) Some people use ellipses correctly, some people use them
where a comma should be, and a few people use them where a period should be.
You tend to throw in an ellipsis at almost random points, where no punctuation
should be at all. Your IM conversation probably has four or five such identifiable characteristics which, when combined, make it pretty certain that you are the
person who wrote them. I use the example of the ellipses because they'll stick
out to the lawyers and judge, who regularly see them used correctly, as part of
a quote, and probably use ellipses themselves when quoting. Your writing surely
has other distinguishing features which wouldn't be quite as obvious to a lawyer.

Also note you have publicly admitted that you wrote the IMs right here on this board.

Thank you for your great response, just want to reply back to a few things:

1) I admitted to sending IMs to the person. I have known this person for 9 months, so of course I talked to them. I never admitted to doing anything illegal, for all I know they might be talking about something completely different than what I am thinking about.

2) The IM logs are saved in Word. They can be edit, so I think that works in my benefit, but as you said it depends on how good my lawyer is.

3) My writing style on here isn't exactly the same as everywhere else. It depends who I am talking to, what it is about, so on and so forth. Once in high school I got in trouble for writing a note. The principle knew me, and knew that was not my writing. Was it really my note? You can ponder that.

Thanks again for everything. I think it all depends on the lawyer.. or ... or . or : or , or ! or -.

I really do appreciate everything you said, and I read the article you posted.

Sly · 12-31-2008, 01:01 PM

If you were talking to them thinking it was somebody else, couldn't the same be said directly back your way? Who knows who was typing on your computer?

Either way, if it's legal, don't worry about it, some people are just stupid.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

If you were talking to them thinking it was somebody else, couldn't the same be said directly back your way? Who knows who was typing on your computer?

Either way, if it's legal, don't worry about it, some people are just stupid.

So simple, but yet I didn't even think of that. Although most of the time I thought I was talking to the person I have been talking to, you are right, for all I know it could have been someone else, and for all they know it could of been someone else on my end.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Either way, if it's legal, don't worry about it, some people are just stupid.

Not too sure if it is legal or not.

jmcb420 · 12-31-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x Shady x

Not too sure if it is legal or not.

Shady, dude if you're still around to post today you probobly dont have anything to worry about man.

Either way, did you get ahold of that lawyer I mentioned? I googled him today, he has offices in Sharon PA

papill0n · 12-31-2008, 04:20 PM

I saw judge judy take an msn log once so I say yes.

baddog · 12-31-2008, 04:42 PM

It could be admitted if someone was to testify under oath that they were the ones entering the text, or if another person testified that they saw you enter the text.

Otherwise, a good attorney should be able to keep it out.

Phil LoadedCash · 12-31-2008, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcb420

Shady, dude if you're still around to post today you probobly dont have anything to worry about man.

Nope, nothing happen as of yet. Although the people who know about this might not have called the state boys yet. I'm leaning on more towards what you said though, nothing to worry about. They might wait though. Not too sure. I'm still on the lookout lol, but taking your advice and living life anyway.

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog

It could be admitted if someone was to testify under oath that they were the ones entering the text, or if another person testified that they saw you enter the text.

Otherwise, a good attorney should be able to keep it out.

Well there is no evidence at all that I entered anything.. so I'm leaning towards that the IM and email evidence show be thrown out if anything happens.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben

I saw judge judy take an msn log once so I say yes.

See post 29.

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raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	The good news is that whatever you did you probably won't get more than probation. Unless you a) attack the cop who is arresting your or b) kill someone, most people imagine a much greater punishment than they actually get. Your emails and IMs can certainly be used against you, though your lawyer can try a couple of things to keep them out if the prosecutor isn't very good. If you reformat your hard drive and say it wasn't you, the computer geek who looks at your computer after it's brought in for evidence will easily find your IMs, proving you to be a complete liar who has tried to destroy evidence. That destruction of evidence, aka obstruction of justice, may well be a worse crime that whatever you are accused of. Remember, most politicians and corporate big wigs you see on the news end up getting busted for obstruction, not for the initial crime. Nixon resigned as he was being indicted fro obstruction of justice, Clinton's impeachment vote was on obstruction charges, and Scooter Libby is in prison right now for obstruction - hiding or destroying evidence. Format your drive now and you're guilty obstruction whether or not you're guilty of anything else. Your lawyer could decide to claim that either a) you didn't send the messages or b) someone altered the messages to have a different meaning than what you intended, but they'll do that AFTER they ensure that the prosecutor isn't going to get their hands on your computer. They could also try to keep the evidence out on grounds of hearsay or chain of custody and authenticity. A good prosecutor will win that fight and get them in, though. See: http://www.negotiationlawblog.com/20...ay-exceptions/ It'll be pretty easy to show that the IMs came from you, also, assuming it's a conversation and not just a couple sentences. Many times I, who am not even an expert, have shown who wrote something like that based on characteristics of the writing. For example, in this thread you've used ellipses (...) several times. Few people use ellipses regularly, but far fewer "misspell" their ellipses by using only two dots. (An ellipsis has three dots, ... , just as a colon : has two and a period has one.) Some people use ellipses correctly, some people use them where a comma should be, and a few people use them where a period should be. You tend to throw in an ellipsis at almost random points, where no punctuation should be at all. Your IM conversation probably has four or five such identifiable characteristics which, when combined, make it pretty certain that you are the person who wrote them. I use the example of the ellipses because they'll stick out to the lawyers and judge, who regularly see them used correctly, as part of a quote, and probably use ellipses themselves when quoting. Your writing surely has other distinguishing features which wouldn't be quite as obvious to a lawyer. Also note you have publicly admitted that you wrote the IMs right here on this board. __________________ For historical display only. This information is not current: support@bettercgi.com ICQ 7208627 Strongbox - The next generation in site security Throttlebox - The next generation in bandwidth control Clonebox - Backup and disaster recovery on steroids

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12-31-2008, 12:27 AM	#58
Phil LoadedCash LoadedCash AM Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pittsburgh Area Posts: 462	Not sure if you guys can give me a straight answer on this.. but just asking so I can sleep a little better tonight.. What about emails?

12-31-2008, 04:20 PM	#75
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12-31-2008, 04:42 PM	#76
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