Pirates bay on trial - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Machete_ · 02-17-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

probably dead on too.

Who do you think are smarter?
- Håkan Roswall (close to what is called a DA in the US)
- someone that makes $15 gallery designs
- someone who try and sell applications to Facebook
- people making money facilitating the distribution of content without the rights to do so?

Machete_ · 02-17-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

edonkey is a file identifying schema, torrent is a session idenifying schema.
All the pirate bay has to do is take a book (copyrighted material) put it thru a shredder, put the pieces in a garbage bag. Then they point out torrent breaks the file up in a similar way, spread those incomplete and non functioning pieces all across the network.

then all they have to say is "if you were to extend edonkey ruling to a torrent you would have to make the act of shredding copyright material the criminal act of making it available too ... because the shreding example is an order of magnitude worse since all the non working pieces are stored in the same container."

As I said to begin with; you idiots can try and spin it as much as you like. Bottom line is still - and will always be - TBP is making money facilitating the distribution of content without the right to do so. And that is why they will go down

Fletch XXX · 02-17-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Who do you think are smarter?
- Håkan Roswall (close to what is called a DA in the US)
- someone that makes $15 gallery designs
- someone who try and sell applications to Facebook
- people making money facilitating the distribution of content without the rights to do so?

What does any of this have to do with my comment? Nothing

I know you guys all have your panties in a bunch over this, I just make drive by comments and dont care about piratebay, dont use it, dont need it, dont care.

Cheers!

Machete_ · 02-17-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

oh and btw

so basically make a million dollars pay under 2k in fines.

Are you so naive you think they let him keep the money in his account, and any other object of value they could prove he had bought with the money from selling bannerspaces on the 3 sites he had?

Agent 488 · 02-17-2009, 08:10 AM

gideon gallery: share all ip - except for mine - they should make a t-shirt ....

Machete_ · 02-17-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

What does any of this have to do with my comment? Nothing

I know you guys all have your panties in a bunch over this, I just make drive by comments and dont care about piratebay, dont use it, dont need it, dont care.

Cheers!

it have EVERYTHING to do with your comment and the way people approach this issue.

You feel you are entiteled to comment on someone who work hard on stopping a service that undermines the industry. First of all, I am pretty sure you dont know anything about the person you comment on, and then to top it off you think this is just some "see my sig" topic, and that the problem will go away.

Maybe it time for you to wake the fuck up

TyroneGoldberg · 02-17-2009, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

it have EVERYTHING to do with your comment and the way people approach this issue.

You feel you are entiteled to comment on someone who work hard on stopping a service that undermines the industry. First of all, I am pretty sure you dont know anything about the person you comment on, and then to top it off you think this is just some "see my sig" topic, and that the problem will go away.

Maybe it time for you to wake the fuck up

see sig?

Machete_ · 02-17-2009, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tyronegoldberg

see sig?

i saw what you did there !!!

JamesK · 02-17-2009, 08:20 AM

I have to admit those guys have big cojones.

gideongallery · 02-17-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

As I said to begin with; you idiots can try and spin it as much as you like. Bottom line is still - and will always be - TBP is making money facilitating the distribution of content without the right to do so. And that is why they will go down

and the universal said the same thing about sony when they invented the vcr

same with the RIAA and the diamond rio

guess what the courts untimately ruled in favor of the "pirates" and we all benefits because of it.

to paraphrase Sam Axe (Bruce Campbell)

"copyright holders bunch of whine little bitches"

gideongallery · 02-17-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

gideon gallery: share all ip - except for mine - they should make a t-shirt ....

nope not just mine, every single copyright holder which setup a private tracker so their customer can get the full benefit of a torrent based backup from them.

those that don't provide for the fair use rights of their customers are forced to deal with the consequences of their stuff on a public tracker (the ONLY way to take advantage of torrent based backup).

Magnus · 02-17-2009, 10:06 AM

Half the charges dropped already

"The Swedish court seems to have recognized that a torrent search engine, which doesn’t store actual copyrighted files, cannot be guilty of copyright infringement. This is already a huge victory for The Pirate Bay, even if they lose on other charges - which now seems unlikely. What seemed to be a long legal battle might turn into a short (and sweet, for The Pirate Bay) affair."

Robbie · 02-17-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron2k1

Yesterday I was talking about this with a friend and we came to the conclusion you can also find torrent links and Warez in Google.com

So how about sites like Google? Will they also filter censor illegal stuff soon?

Yes, removeyourcontent.com dmca's google and gets links to our stuff off the search engines all the time.

georgeyw · 02-17-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by boneprone

Owner is a great guy.
Had lunch and wine with him when he was in the US last.

He is scared of the dentist but not the law cracking down on him..
I have his phone number. Will sell it to the higest bidder.

I can assure you if things get to hot the guy can easily disappear.

Easily? Seems they are getting alot of media attention - how would he be able to disappear when the worlds on and offline media post images of him?

potter · 02-17-2009, 12:30 PM

I hope you idiots know that if TPB goes down and looses this case. That means google is an illegal site as well. Among much of the rest of the internet.

This case isn't about copyrights and people stealing shit. This is FAR greater than that. All you naive tools who think this is about torrents need to open your eyes. If you want people to stop stealing music and movies and other data. Then do something about it.

Changing the interpretation of law to say what TPB does is illegal is so wrong it's just insane.

Think about it, changing the interpretation of the law like that. Could make ISPs responsible for someone using their connection to download copyrighted material.

Instead of going after the people breaking the law, you're changing the interpretation of law to be able to go after any tool a criminal uses.

What's next. Are we going to charge the companies that make slim jims with grand theft auto because car thieves use their tool to steal cars?

Are we going to charge Glock with murder because people have used their guns to commit murder?

Are we going to charge the company who made the baseball with the charge of destruction of private property because some kids threw it through a window?

LONG LIVE TPB!

jakethedog · 02-17-2009, 12:36 PM

My thoughts are this ..
In Canada .. Conspiracy is a crime .. they have built a site which they know full well allows people to download and share stolen/cracked software and content. therefore they are in "conspiracy" to commit theft .... stick a fork in it .. as far as I can see it should be a done deal..

gideongallery · 02-17-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

My thoughts are this ..
In Canada .. Conspiracy is a crime .. they have built a site which they know full well allows people to download and share stolen/cracked software and content. therefore they are in "conspiracy" to commit theft .... stick a fork in it .. as far as I can see it should be a done deal..

1. the torrent uploader would be the one guilty of conspiracy to commit the crime of copyright infringement (assuming fair use did not justify his actions)
2. there is no criminal act of conspiracy to commit conspiracy to commit theft.

That would be like saying that if you traded traffic with a site that had a gallery with kiddie porn you should be charged with conspiracy to distribute kiddie porn.

potter · 02-17-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jakethedog

My thoughts are this ..
In Canada .. Conspiracy is a crime .. they have built a site which they know full well allows people to download and share stolen/cracked software and content. therefore they are in "conspiracy" to commit theft .... stick a fork in it .. as far as I can see it should be a done deal..

First you have to prove the creators of TPB meant their trackers to be used for theft. Which isn't as easy as you might think it is. Torrents aren't inherently "bad", in fact torrent technology is in fact a huge leap forward, and it's whole idea is good.

Secondly, it's not theft. It's copyright infringement.

Lastly. You have to tie the owners of the website with the intent of it's users. Which has been tried hundreds of time in our history. And historically speaking, what a user does on a website does not hold the owners responsible.

wootpr0n · 02-18-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the absolute worst thing for the MPAA/copyright holders is that pirate bay would be forced to win their freedom by making one of these points. Because if they do, all torrent sites, world wide would be legal.

It wouldn't make it legal world wide. It only makes it legal in Sweden. US law still applies to US sites.

wootpr0n · 02-18-2009, 02:28 AM

I just found out that there are no juries in Sweden, so this will make it difficult to win. But then again, the judges are elected, so they may be tempted to find for the pirate bay.

Really, the judge doesn't know what the hell a torrent is. And now neither does the prosecutor. The only people who know what they are doing are the people who are on trial. So whatever the pirate bay is going to say, the judge will believe them. It's not like there is going to be anybody there capable of disputing anything that they say.

I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them. So the pirate bay is only providing a service.

cess · 02-18-2009, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chelis

They got big balls, that's a fact..

Or lots of stupidity...

SmokeyTheBear · 02-18-2009, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by wootpr0n

I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them. So the pirate bay is only providing a service.

pawnshops used this theory but now most cities have strict regulations how they operate.

Why ? because despite them offering a legal service the majority of their business was stolen property.

cess · 02-18-2009, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wootpr0n

I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them.

Yes on a site called "The PIRATE Bay". For every torrent that's tied to legal content there's probably a hundred that's for pirated content. I got an odd feeling that's why the name is.... "The PIRATE Bay".

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wootpr0n

It wouldn't make it legal world wide. It only makes it legal in Sweden. US law still applies to US sites.

if they made the arguement on a technical bases that there is no infringing for seeding (because the seeder is never giving away a working copy of the file) and there is no contributory infringment if there is no infringement in the first place, then that would apply to every countries laws including the US.

Fundamental arguements like only leachers are criminally liable and only when they did not buy a right to the content (recovery rights). Would apply to every country that has fair use doctrine. Which of course is every country.

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Originally Posted by wootpr0n

I just found out that there are no juries in Sweden, so this will make it difficult to win. But then again, the judges are elected, so they may be tempted to find for the pirate bay.

Really, the judge doesn't know what the hell a torrent is. And now neither does the prosecutor. The only people who know what they are doing are the people who are on trial. So whatever the pirate bay is going to say, the judge will believe them. It's not like there is going to be anybody there capable of disputing anything that they say.

I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them. So the pirate bay is only providing a service.

add the fact that the prosecution had already published a paper saying that they don't that the pirate bays actions were legal, and this case is going forward because of pressure from US lobby groups

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

pawnshops used this theory but now most cities have strict regulations how they operate.

Why ? because despite them offering a legal service the majority of their business was stolen property.

except that 50% of their torrent traffic is tv shows
and even the US courts have recognized the right to use the cloud as a timeshifting medium means that a majority of their business is completely non infringing.

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Originally Posted by cess

Yes on a site called "The PIRATE Bay". For every torrent that's tied to legal content there's probably a hundred that's for pirated content. I got an odd feeling that's why the name is.... "The PIRATE Bay".

read the pirate's dilemma how youth culture is reinventing capitalism

http://thepiratesdilemma.com/download-the-book

the fact is the "pirate" has been used repeatedly by the establishment to describe technological shifts that improved the world.

the printing press
cable tv
VCR
MP3 rippers
and yes torrents.

unless you are a moron who believes all of those advancements are bad, you should be able to realize that they are accepting what is considered a slur as a badge of honour.

Paul Markham · 02-18-2009, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

You idiots can try and spin it as much as you want. Bottom line is, they facilitate the theft of content, and make a huge profit doing so.

These guys were in it to make money out of theft, they would hate a free Internet and would never surviver in a free Internet. Neither would any of theirs supporters here.

The reason we are here is to make money, there is no such thing as a "free" Internet. It's all about money, even the hippies at PB realise that and charged for the adverts. The Internet is driven by profits, take away those profits and you don't have the Internet you have today. Google would not exist without the paid ads, Youtube is only supported by the profits made elsewhere and everything that you think is free is just paid for by someone else.

The recession might have a big effect on the "Free Internet". Companies might be looking at the profits on advertising on sites that tell everyone it's all free. Then you will see how "Freedom" is really another word for let someone else pay the bill.

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

These guys were in it to make money out of theft, they would hate a free Internet and would never surviver in a free Internet. Neither would any of theirs supporters here.

The reason we are here is to make money, there is no such thing as a "free" Internet. It's all about money, even the hippies at PB realise that and charged for the adverts. The Internet is driven by profits, take away those profits and you don't have the Internet you have today. Google would not exist without the paid ads, Youtube is only supported by the profits made elsewhere and everything that you think is free is just paid for by someone else.

The recession might have a big effect on the "Free Internet". Companies might be looking at the profits on advertising on sites that tell everyone it's all free. Then you will see how "Freedom" is really another word for let someone else pay the bill.

paul either you are a moron, or you are just deliberately trying to discredit my legitimate post.

I have repeatedly said that you have to buy the stuff once to have a right to timeshift 57 times now. (not free internet)

I have said 27 times that you should setup a private tracker for your content which would allow you to usurp the adverting revenue of the pirate bay and cut off the supply of the content to the public trackers (not free internet).

I have repeatedly given examples about how, models, photographers, muscians, could make MORE money by cutting out the middle men, and giving away their content and selling the attention to advertisers. When you say that the pirate bay is profiting for advertising your disproving my point paul you are proving it.

Paul Markham · 02-18-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

paul either you are a moron, or you are just deliberately trying to discredit my legitimate post.

I have repeatedly said that you have to buy the stuff once to have a right to timeshift 57 times now. (not free internet)

I have said 27 times that you should setup a private tracker for your content which would allow you to usurp the adverting revenue of the pirate bay and cut off the supply of the content to the public trackers (not free internet).

I have repeatedly given examples about how, models, photographers, muscians, could make MORE money by cutting out the middle men, and giving away their content and selling the attention to advertisers. When you say that the pirate bay is profiting for advertising your disproving my point paul you are proving it.

Are you serious? No really are you serious?

Think about what I wrote and then think about what you replied. My post has nothing to do with you and you're not worth bothering to reply to. In fact I should not even bother replying to you now. You are very stupid if you think the future is in giving everything away to have it paid by advertising. Do you think the future is going to see us all make more money by giving it all away and letting ads to AFF fund it? When I see Coca Cola offer to advertise on my site I will change my mind.

Pirate Bay would lose money if they had to pay a royalty to the producers of the content for providing the links. Truly stupid.

Please kindly go fuck yourself.

Paul Markham · 02-18-2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by wootpr0n

I just found out that there are no juries in Sweden, so this will make it difficult to win. But then again, the judges are elected, so they may be tempted to find for the pirate bay.

Really, the judge doesn't know what the hell a torrent is. And now neither does the prosecutor. The only people who know what they are doing are the people who are on trial. So whatever the pirate bay is going to say, the judge will believe them. It's not like there is going to be anybody there capable of disputing anything that they say.

I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them. So the pirate bay is only providing a service.

Is it necessary for the judge to know what a Torrent is?

If you stand on a street corner with a sign that points to an illegal sale or event are you within the law? Or are you aiding and abetting or even guilty of conspiracy?

I don't understand Swedish law and I doubt if anyone here does, but building a business that is 90% reliant on theft has to be illegal or has to be made illegal. Yes present laws are really ineffectual and need changing. But maybe it would not be so hard.

Fletch XXX · 02-18-2009, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ebus_dk

Maybe it time for you to wake the fuck up

no, id say it is time for YOu to wake the fuck up. GFY is its own torrent, oh no, look at all the stolen content.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=835495

notice anything? lolbusiness as usual on gfy, but lord no, dont watch a porn video without paying fee. GFY is full of its own pirates. Care to stop them first?

Tanker · 02-18-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

no, id say it is time for YOu to wake the fuck up. GFY is its own torrent, oh no, look at all the stolen content.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=835495

notice anything? lol business as usual on gfy, but lord no, dont watch a porn video without paying fee. GFY is full of its own pirates. Care to stop them first?

ohhh the irony

Robbie · 02-18-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

I hope you idiots know that if TPB goes down and looses this case. That means google is an illegal site as well. Among much of the rest of the internet.

This case isn't about copyrights and people stealing shit. This is FAR greater than that. All you naive tools who think this is about torrents need to open your eyes. If you want people to stop stealing music and movies and other data. Then do something about it.

Changing the interpretation of law to say what TPB does is illegal is so wrong it's just insane.

Think about it, changing the interpretation of the law like that. Could make ISPs responsible for someone using their connection to download copyrighted material.

Instead of going after the people breaking the law, you're changing the interpretation of law to be able to go after any tool a criminal uses.

What's next. Are we going to charge the companies that make slim jims with grand theft auto because car thieves use their tool to steal cars?

Are we going to charge Glock with murder because people have used their guns to commit murder?

Are we going to charge the company who made the baseball with the charge of destruction of private property because some kids threw it through a window?

LONG LIVE TPB!

You're not even understanding what you're talking about. TPB will NOT take your stuff down if you DMCA them. Matter of fact they make smart ass remarks about how they are never going to take down anything ever. I'm all for freedom...but you aren't even close to understanding the frustration of watching all of your work put out for free. And then having to jump through hoops to get it taken down...and then there's TPB who will NOT take it down no matter what you do. Fuck them. Because that's exactly what they are saying to us, and laughing about it.

Edit: And no Google isn't an illegal site...they DO take down links to that shit when you DMCA them. TBP doesn't.

Libertine · 02-18-2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is it necessary for the judge to know what a Torrent is?

Yes, it is.

Metaphors and analogies fall short, in the end. A torrent is a torrent. It's not a novel, a guide, a flyer, a pamphlet, oral instructions or an address book. It's a torrent.

You can't decide on regulation of atom bombs by comparing them to wooden sticks. Likewise, you can't regulate the internet by treating it like a library made out of pipelines.

Libertine · 02-18-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're not even understanding what you're talking about. TPB will NOT take your stuff down if you DMCA them. Matter of fact they make smart ass remarks about how they are never going to take down anything ever. I'm all for freedom...but you aren't even close to understanding the frustration of watching all of your work put out for free. And then having to jump through hoops to get it taken down...and then there's TPB who will NOT take it down no matter what you do. Fuck them. Because that's exactly what they are saying to us, and laughing about it.

Edit: And no Google isn't an illegal site...they DO take down links to that shit when you DMCA them. TBP doesn't.

TPB is a Swedish site. The DMCA is an American copyright law.

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are you serious? No really are you serious?

Think about what I wrote and then think about what you replied. My post has nothing to do with you and you're not worth bothering to reply to. In fact I should not even bother replying to you now. You are very stupid if you think the future is in giving everything away to have it paid by advertising. Do you think the future is going to see us all make more money by giving it all away and letting ads to AFF fund it? When I see Coca Cola offer to advertise on my site I will change my mind.

again i have never said give everything way for free.
I have talked about respecting fair use right.
I sell my scripts, i however provide a private tracker so that my customer fair use rights are fully satisfied without having to load my stuff on a public tracker. ERGO my stuff does not appear on the public tracker, because my customer will not put it there.
I only had to sue 1 customer to send the message, and instead of being pissed off at me for doing all the other customers were happy i did.

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Pirate Bay would lose money if they had to pay a royalty to the producers of the content for providing the links. Truly stupid.

Please kindly go fuck yourself.

do you think that sony would have been able to make money, if it had to "pay a royalty" for every tv show taped. No. what is your point. Fair Use business have a right to exist, they are defined legally by the very act that grants you your exclusive rights.

IF you refuse to provide for the fair use rights of your customers, then other people have a right to compete with you.

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're not even understanding what you're talking about. TPB will NOT take your stuff down if you DMCA them. Matter of fact they make smart ass remarks about how they are never going to take down anything ever. I'm all for freedom...but you aren't even close to understanding the frustration of watching all of your work put out for free. And then having to jump through hoops to get it taken down...and then there's TPB who will NOT take it down no matter what you do. Fuck them. Because that's exactly what they are saying to us, and laughing about it.

Edit: And no Google isn't an illegal site...they DO take down links to that shit when you DMCA them. TBP doesn't.

the pirate bay responses to take down request if they FULLY comply with swedish law. They are not stupid. Just because they don't respect lawyers who make the insanely stupid arguement that "you have to obey US laws because the US is so great" doesn't make them illegal sites.

It only makes them illegal if they operated in the US (which they do not).

Zorgman · 02-18-2009, 09:22 AM

I hate to say it, but from what I read of day 1,2 and 3. It looks like TPB are winning.

We all know deep down they will get away with it. If they didn't new laws will be made and sites like google will not be able to spider the Internet because it would be "stealing".

I would love to say close the site down or chuck them in jail, but it's just NOT going to happen.

buzzy · 02-18-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

I hope you idiots know that if TPB goes down and looses this case. That means google is an illegal site as well. Among much of the rest of the internet.

This case isn't about copyrights and people stealing shit. This is FAR greater than that. All you naive tools who think this is about torrents need to open your eyes. If you want people to stop stealing music and movies and other data. Then do something about it.

Changing the interpretation of law to say what TPB does is illegal is so wrong it's just insane.

Think about it, changing the interpretation of the law like that. Could make ISPs responsible for someone using their connection to download copyrighted material.

Instead of going after the people breaking the law, you're changing the interpretation of law to be able to go after any tool a criminal uses.

What's next. Are we going to charge the companies that make slim jims with grand theft auto because car thieves use their tool to steal cars?

Are we going to charge Glock with murder because people have used their guns to commit murder?

Are we going to charge the company who made the baseball with the charge of destruction of private property because some kids threw it through a window?

LONG LIVE TPB!

SmokeyTheBear · 02-18-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

except that 50% of their torrent traffic is tv shows
and even the US courts have recognized the right to use the cloud as a timeshifting medium means that a majority of their business is completely non infringing.

blah blah spin spin bullshit , try giving away free copies of tv shows in hollywood , find out how far your timeshifting excuse would last.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the fact is the "pirate" has been used repeatedly by the establishment to describe technological shifts that improved the world.

the printing press
cable tv
VCR
MP3 rippers
and yes torrents.

unless you are a moron who believes all of those advancements are bad, you should be able to realize that they are accepting what is considered a slur as a badge of honour.

people often refer to pirates to describe people who steal shit, unless you are a moron and believe thats good.

So what you are saying is merely by calling them pirates , they are now heroes who are doing legal things because someone once called vcr users "pirates" and we all know vcr's r cool so thus killing and robbing people must be cool 2. So now anyone who is called a pirate is a hero despite what they are doing because often in history people who were called pirates were then called heroes ( despite the many pirates who just killed people and stole their shit )

Thats like saying its ok to kill someone because once there was a guy who killed someone and he wasnt charged. look heres proof murder is legal

US vs murderer 1998
man found not guilty for murder

see murder is legal

boneprone · 02-18-2009, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by georgeyw

Easily? Seems they are getting alot of media attention - how would he be able to disappear when the worlds on and offline media post images of him?

LOL. Trust me.
And as of yet ive never seen a pic yet of "him"

tranza · 02-18-2009, 11:58 AM

Thanks for sharing bro!

Robbie · 02-18-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine

TPB is a Swedish site. The DMCA is an American copyright law.

Never said it wasn't. Just pointing out that potter was trying to compare TBP to a site like Google. Or any of the other torrents. The difference between them is that TBP does not honor DMCA for the reason you gave. I fucking can't stand begging motherfuckers to take my shit down already...but TBP laughs in our faces and won't. That was my point. To say that TBP getting drilled would be a shot at freedom just isn't true. Plenty of torrent sites out there do abide by DMCA. It still sucks for content producers to have to search thousands of sites for their stuff, but at least it's something. TBP doesn't give a shit, and laughs at people trying to make a living. Fuck them.

Robbie · 02-18-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

the pirate bay responses to take down request if they FULLY comply with swedish law. They are not stupid. Just because they don't respect lawyers who make the insanely stupid arguement that "you have to obey US laws because the US is so great" doesn't make them illegal sites.

It only makes them illegal if they operated in the US (which they do not).

WHAT THE FUCK! Gideon you must have gotten into your parents meds again while they are at work.

TBP not only DOES NOT take anything down ever...they brag about it on their damn website. What was it they posted in that section where they laugh at companies, lawyers, and law? Something like: "never took one down and never will"

Gideon, please stop....I'm laughing so hard my eyes are tearing up. Those guys don't care about any laws. Hell, come to think of it neither do I. I'll break any damn law I can get away with. I'll drive faster than the speed limit. I may even do an illegal substance now and again on a Friday night. And you think those guys sit around like some kind of Saints pondering the law and worrying about being law abiding citizens?

Hell no! They are literally laughing at everybody while they cash those prepaid ad spot checks at the bank. Of course a communist like you would never understand that this is nothing more than greed and capitalism at it's finest. As much as I want to see them stop stealing...I will grudgingly admit that they found a way to make money for a short time.

Not as much as some of the guys I know in this biz who figured out little loopholes to make money. But still a lot. Their time is limited to continue business as is though. So that's why I'm laughing about them having to pay lawyers and waste their time with court. It's taking away money that they are going to wish they had back when they are forced to start taking down almost all those torrents. And you just know that when Swedish law changes to reflect modern times...EVERYBODY is going to demand their shit come down because of them acting like assholes to the industry for the last couple of years.

Right now, the judge there can only interpret the law. When that law changes, he will interpret it to reflect the new law. And there are companies and legal teams just circling those guys licking their chops and waiting for that day.

Guy is pretty smart though. When that time comes, if I were him I'd sell it to one of the big movie companies and get out.

potter · 02-18-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You're not even understanding what you're talking about. TPB will NOT take your stuff down if you DMCA them. Matter of fact they make smart ass remarks about how they are never going to take down anything ever. I'm all for freedom...but you aren't even close to understanding the frustration of watching all of your work put out for free. And then having to jump through hoops to get it taken down...and then there's TPB who will NOT take it down no matter what you do. Fuck them. Because that's exactly what they are saying to us, and laughing about it.

Edit: And no Google isn't an illegal site...they DO take down links to that shit when you DMCA them. TBP doesn't.

You have it backwards. You didn't understand what I said at all. You obviously didn't grasp the point I made, or at least came to your own wrong conclusion of what it was. Removing or taking down content has nothing to do with what I said. As I said, what TPB is doing is not illegal in any way. Uhg.

By the way, a DMCA is a US Copyright Law. Not a global law.

Also, to really get down to it. If a user uploads a torrent of your website to TPB. TPB and that torrent is not illegal!!! I don't get how you guys don't understand this. Or how many times I have to say this, going after TPB is attacking the problem back ass wards. The people breaking the law are the ones who complete the entire file to their computer without the rights to the file. THAT is when the law is broken. How everyone does not seem to understand this is beyond me.

It's like TBP is a guy standing on a street corner as someone put it earlier. With a sign that points out where people are trading files. Is that guy breaking the law? No. Are the people down street A trading legal file B breaking the law? No. Are the people down street C trading legal file D breaking the law? The ones taking the file without rights to it ARE. THOSE people specifically are the ones breaking the law.

So when you stand here bitching about the guy on the corner. Do you realize how ignorant that makes you look?

Then Gideon has even stated ways (easy SIMPLE ways) you can create a case against a public torrent of your files. Easy ways to attack that, if it's a problem to your business. But pssssh, no everyone still bitches about the guy standing on the corner.

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

WHAT THE FUCK! Gideon you must have gotten into your parents meds again while they are at work.

TBP not only DOES NOT take anything down ever...they brag about it on their damn website. What was it they posted in that section where they laugh at companies, lawyers, and law? Something like: "never took one down and never will"

name one take down request that fully complied with swedish law, the way that swedish law works right now there is only one way, and that would require setting up a private tracker, registering your copyright in sweden, making sure your tracker has no regional restrictions/user restrictions AND granting that tracker exclusive rights to distribute using bit torrent.

TPB would have to take down a torrent that included their tracker, but they could list the torrent (which points to the other tracker) and still collect all the advertising on the page serving that torrent.

IF they ignored one of those request they could be prosecuted for copyright infringement under swedish law.

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Gideon, please stop....I'm laughing so hard my eyes are tearing up. Those guys don't care about any laws. Hell, come to think of it neither do I. I'll break any damn law I can get away with. I'll drive faster than the speed limit. I may even do an illegal substance now and again on a Friday night. And you think those guys sit around like some kind of Saints pondering the law and worrying about being law abiding citizens?

Hell no! They are literally laughing at everybody while they cash those prepaid ad spot checks at the bank. Of course a communist like you would never understand that this is nothing more than greed and capitalism at it's finest. As much as I want to see them stop stealing...I will grudgingly admit that they found a way to make money for a short time.

your the one who wants to turn a government granted conditional monopoly into a government granted true monopoly and i am the communist.

i am a nashian free market person, i want as much competition, and i want the monopoly limited in the way it was intended from the begining.

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Not as much as some of the guys I know in this biz who figured out little loopholes to make money. But still a lot. Their time is limited to continue business as is though. So that's why I'm laughing about them having to pay lawyers and waste their time with court. It's taking away money that they are going to wish they had back when they are forced to start taking down almost all those torrents. And you just know that when Swedish law changes to reflect modern times...EVERYBODY is going to demand their shit come down because of them acting like assholes to the industry for the last couple of years.

the law will never change in the way you want it too, doing so will violate the fundamental principle of balance between fair use and your "limited" monopoly rights.
Granting you a sherman anti trust violating monopoly is NEVER going to happen.

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Right now, the judge there can only interpret the law. When that law changes, he will interpret it to reflect the new law. And there are companies and legal teams just circling those guys licking their chops and waiting for that day.

Guy is pretty smart though. When that time comes, if I were him I'd sell it to one of the big movie companies and get out.

unless they do something stupid like push this in front of a higher court under the current laws, establish in court a new fair use right. Which will not be able to taken away.
Remeber that copyright holders tried to get congress to change the laws to make "Time shifting" illegal after it was established, and none of them had the guts to do it then.
If access shifting gets established as a fair use right the same thing will happen again.

tony286 · 02-18-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

You have it backwards. You didn't understand what I said at all. You obviously didn't grasp the point I made, or at least came to your own wrong conclusion of what it was. Removing or taking down content has nothing to do with what I said. As I said, what TPB is doing is not illegal in any way. Uhg.

By the way, a DMCA is a US Copyright Law. Not a global law.

Also, to really get down to it. If a user uploads a torrent of your website to TPB. TPB and that torrent is not illegal!!! I don't get how you guys don't understand this. Or how many times I have to say this, going after TPB is attacking the problem back ass wards. The people breaking the law are the ones who complete the entire file to their computer without the rights to the file. THAT is when the law is broken. How everyone does not seem to understand this is beyond me.

It's like TBP is a guy standing on a street corner as someone put it earlier. With a sign that points out where people are trading files. Is that guy breaking the law? No. Are the people down street A trading legal file B breaking the law? No. Are the people down street C trading legal file D breaking the law? The ones taking the file without rights to it ARE. THOSE people specifically are the ones breaking the law.

So when you stand here bitching about the guy on the corner. Do you realize how ignorant that makes you look?

Then Gideon has even stated ways (easy SIMPLE ways) you can create a case against a public torrent of your files. Easy ways to attack that, if it's a problem to your business. But pssssh, no everyone still bitches about the guy standing on the corner.

actually if you were on the corner pointing to where people are doing illegally activity and encouraging that activity.That is illegal. I don't understand you fly a banner of duke dollars they get hurt by these practices.

gideongallery · 02-18-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

actually if you were on the corner pointing to where people are doing illegally activity and encouraging that activity.That is illegal. I don't understand you fly a banner of duke dollars they get hurt by these practices.

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With a sign that points out where people are trading files. Is that guy breaking the law? No. Are the people down street A trading legal file B breaking the law? No. Are the people down street C trading legal file D breaking the law? The ones taking the file without rights to it ARE. THOSE people specifically are the ones breaking the law.

tony even a someone with a 4th grade reading and comprehension level would get that your arguement has nothing to do with what he said.

The problem tony is that the same swarm that has someone "illegally" sharing, has lots of people sharing legally (timeshifting, backup, recovery) which is the point. The pirate bay is doing nothing wrong by pointing out the swarm, only the guys abusing the swarm are guilty of a crime.

potter · 02-18-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404

actually if you were on the corner pointing to where people are doing illegally activity and encouraging that activity.That is illegal. I don't understand you fly a banner of duke dollars they get hurt by these practices.

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Originally Posted by gideongallery

tony even a someone with a 4th grade reading and comprehension level would get that your arguement has nothing to do with what he said.

The problem tony is that the same swarm that has someone "illegally" sharing, has lots of people sharing legally (timeshifting, backup, recovery) which is the point. The pirate bay is doing nothing wrong by pointing out the swarm, only the guys abusing the swarm are guilty of a crime.

tony286 · 02-18-2009, 01:59 PM

you know what you are right Im wrong, why am I having this argument. When 95 percent dont produce content so they will never understand.

JustDaveXxx · 02-18-2009, 03:15 PM

Great read, but a very complex issue.

New laws will come out of this regarding the trade and furtherance of trade of intellectual property.

02-17-2009, 08:20 AM	#59
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02-17-2009, 10:06 AM	#62
Magnus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ontariariooooo Posts: 1,211	Half the charges dropped already "The Swedish court seems to have recognized that a torrent search engine, which doesn’t store actual copyrighted files, cannot be guilty of copyright infringement. This is already a huge victory for The Pirate Bay, even if they lose on other charges - which now seems unlikely. What seemed to be a long legal battle might turn into a short (and sweet, for The Pirate Bay) affair." __________________ Magnus

02-17-2009, 12:30 PM	#65
potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	I hope you idiots know that if TPB goes down and looses this case. That means google is an illegal site as well. Among much of the rest of the internet. This case isn't about copyrights and people stealing shit. This is FAR greater than that. All you naive tools who think this is about torrents need to open your eyes. If you want people to stop stealing music and movies and other data. Then do something about it. Changing the interpretation of law to say what TPB does is illegal is so wrong it's just insane. Think about it, changing the interpretation of the law like that. Could make ISPs responsible for someone using their connection to download copyrighted material. Instead of going after the people breaking the law, you're changing the interpretation of law to be able to go after any tool a criminal uses. What's next. Are we going to charge the companies that make slim jims with grand theft auto because car thieves use their tool to steal cars? Are we going to charge Glock with murder because people have used their guns to commit murder? Are we going to charge the company who made the baseball with the charge of destruction of private property because some kids threw it through a window? LONG LIVE TPB! __________________

02-17-2009, 12:36 PM	#66
jakethedog Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 2,497	My thoughts are this .. In Canada .. Conspiracy is a crime .. they have built a site which they know full well allows people to download and share stolen/cracked software and content. therefore they are in "conspiracy" to commit theft .... stick a fork in it .. as far as I can see it should be a done deal.. __________________ No sig .. just me

02-18-2009, 02:28 AM	#70
wootpr0n Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 250	I just found out that there are no juries in Sweden, so this will make it difficult to win. But then again, the judges are elected, so they may be tempted to find for the pirate bay. Really, the judge doesn't know what the hell a torrent is. And now neither does the prosecutor. The only people who know what they are doing are the people who are on trial. So whatever the pirate bay is going to say, the judge will believe them. It's not like there is going to be anybody there capable of disputing anything that they say. I think that they can use a good argument - their service is legal. They distribute torrents that don't contain copyrighted materials. They aren't checking the content of the torrents. And they are not the ones uploading the torrents. Their users are uploading torrents, and some of those torrents have legal content in them. So the pirate bay is only providing a service. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

02-17-2009, 08:10 AM	#55
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02-18-2009, 09:22 AM	#87
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	I hate to say it, but from what I read of day 1,2 and 3. It looks like TPB are winning. We all know deep down they will get away with it. If they didn't new laws will be made and sites like google will not be able to spider the Internet because it would be "stealing". I would love to say close the site down or chuck them in jail, but it's just NOT going to happen. __________________ ---

02-18-2009, 11:58 AM	#91
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02-18-2009, 01:59 PM	#99
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02-18-2009, 03:15 PM	#100
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