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Deej · 10-25-2009, 10:29 AM

Hunert WTFS!??!?!

Finike · 10-25-2009, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

Put Epoch in your cascade!

You're right.
For my program, Epoch is billing 60% of the CCBill decines, the rest are scammers or have no money on their accounts.

andrej_NDC · 10-25-2009, 11:43 AM

You should compare with a merchant...the declines aren't everything, there are other factors, too, like how fast the join page loads, how easy/complicated it is, etc. Anyone with a merchant, how much better are your sales compared to 3rd party? 30, 50, 100% better?

CyberHustler · 10-25-2009, 12:17 PM

See my sig yo...

MrDeiz · 10-26-2009, 12:26 AM

the thing which bothers me is that ccbill avoids direct answers on almost all direct questions which make sense at some point asked on the board
all the time

MaxxB · 10-26-2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.

use Epoch, they are the best

))

but I personally think this is bullshit and processors will never decline any good sales.
We compared 3 different processors for the same site for a week and we didn't see any big difference in sales. One of the processors is very new and for sure can't reach his limits now.

webmasterchecks · 10-26-2009, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

i can tell you 100% that if ccbill had sales that they would have to otherwise decline (not make their 13% on) because they had a "limit on the number of sales they can process per day" they would move heaven and earth to figure out how to get them processed and ccbill probably has more pull than anyone else in this biz to be able to do that.

if you can figure out how to get a jet, you can figure out how to process money people are throwing at you

C-Luv · 10-26-2009, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.

We are all set up with CCbill to accept their declines. Feel free to contact me if you are interested : )

BTW: I think CCbill is a great company, I would continue trusting their services!

David! · 10-26-2009, 11:15 AM

The economy is in the shitter, credit card companies are cancelling accounts left and right and cutting credit lines of pretty much all the remainings open accounts.

What you need is to use cascade billings and make sure you cover all your bases.
Credit cards, debit card, euro card, euro debit, phone and sms, online checks and if you have the manpower, I would even offer mail in checks.

Times are tough and you cannot afford to leave any money on the table, and of course if you want to cover yourself with global phone and SMS, then you just need to contact me

stever · 10-26-2009, 11:21 AM

word mail in check orders for the win!

BumpUglyz · 11-10-2009, 06:41 PM

Haven't made a sale in a few days, I've had slow sales days but this is just depressing

Basic_man · 11-10-2009, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dial

i always wonder
why idiots tend to post
like this
like they are writing
poetry
then I found out that
macs format things different than
pc's. and it was
the macs fault in the
end, but it still
made the
user look like an
idiot

God,
Thanks for the laugh.
Peace

NetHorse · 11-10-2009, 07:03 PM

My conversions with ccbill are WAYYYY down. I promote a nats powered program with cascade billing, for the last 2 years it's been roughly 65% epoch / 35% ccbill signups. Nothing has changed and since the beginning of Oct. it's been 100% Epoch sign-ups, (and obviously overall sales are down). Also, programs I promote through the ccbill affiliate programs are down 80% since late Sept.

However, that's really not conclusive evidence of anything. It could just be a sign of the times with the recession, banks, credit card companies, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by San

Captain Obvious right there.

of course CCbill is the worst fucking biller when it comes to CC declines.

You can't fucking speak with that ibill avatar, break your ribs and eat your own dick twink. At least CCbill is an honest company that would never fuck anyone over. I bet they will get this sorted out and continue to be the best billing solution.

CDSmith · 11-11-2009, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

If gfy is "lame these days" it's because of people like you who put up lame thread titles like this one.

Tell me "ccbill fucks an industry" wasn't a lame attempt at drama. Yet you're now seriously here wondering why the thread stirred up a reaction and got bumped? Dude, please.

Gerco · 11-11-2009, 05:48 AM

Hmm... I just ran a report for the year, and total count for declines was 12.57% on ccbill. That is both declined new signups and declined re-bills together. Seems like a low enough number. But, you got my curiosity up so I went on...

The exact period last year (2008) was 11.78%
2007 10.91%
2006 11.06%
2005 11.04%
2004 12.20%
2003 10.22%
2002 3.13% (The year I started with ccbill) had Ibill as my main at the time...

Then I combined all those years together... for an average decline rate of 10.68%

Now, while having the $121,891.70 Of added income lost from the declines would have been great The numbers do look pretty constant. All this is on my ONE site. giving me an pretty good view of history over the last 8 years billing with Ccbill.

I've been burned by Ibill, Paymode Myvirtualcard. Lets say for the sake of argument that at the time they where around their decline rate WAS lower... Add on what they took from me in the end and what do you think lost income % really was?

I'll stick with Ccbill.

Toni · 11-12-2009, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

I had a similar feeling for a while now for some other processors but I can't say anything about CCBill, beside that I heared such "rumors" a couple times already

After Shock Media · 11-12-2009, 03:00 AM

I keep seeing this thread bumped to the front. I remember reading and perhaps posting some on the 1st page.

Knowing that CCbill has nothing to hide and would let this continue on for awhile without asking for it to be deleted.

Does this thread contain much of anything worth reading from the 1st through the 2nd pages? Or is my time better spent ignoring it? I mean I do already see some stupid posts on page 3.

SleazyDream · 11-12-2009, 03:24 AM

me thinks the guy who poeted this thread got OWNED big time

Iron Fist · 11-12-2009, 03:27 AM

I know i'm bumping it.. but this thread is mostly retarded.

AlphaSky · 11-12-2009, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

i got busy working on some shit, i come back and somehow this thread is still alive. gfy is definitely lame these days if this thread keeps bumping lol

anyways i stopped bumping it because i talked to mark/corvette on email.

they pulled a bunch of numbers and stats that i didnt believe. like 1 brand new site on Porn CMS that had 500 join form hits in September, only 70 submits and no declines. according to ccbill it had a 100% approval rate for those form posts. amazing.

after i talked to mark, suddenly there were about 5 declines in a few days.

to combat the craziness i wrote a script that switches to commercegate if there hasn't been a sale in 6 hours. after the switch there is always a sale within an hour or 2. then it flips back to ccbill, waits 6 hours, switches to cg, then another sale.

its even worse on the weekends. one of my veteran friends told me that ccbill (like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. once the bank limit is hit, all other sales are declined. so he said ccbill reserves a huge chunk of sales for its biggest clients. these days the banks are allowing less transactions, so the smaller fish eat even less.

ever see a zero sale sunday? very fishy. my 6/hr switch script is the only thing stopping it on that new site.

protect yourself and your sales. cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

10 years watching this biz i've never seen times like this. i have a good vantage point monitoring over 100 sites on Porn CMS. i'm just reporting what i'm seeing thru my pessimistic eyes.

"(like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. "

This scares me. Anybody have info on that statement? I'm gonna Google for banking info.

It would be nice to hear from a real banker on the inner workings.

MrDeiz · 11-12-2009, 05:22 AM

thx for the data, Gerco

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gerco

Hmm... I just ran a report for the year, and total count for declines was 12.57% on ccbill. That is both declined new signups and declined re-bills together. Seems like a low enough number. But, you got my curiosity up so I went on...

The exact period last year (2008) was 11.78%
2007 10.91%
2006 11.06%
2005 11.04%
2004 12.20%
2003 10.22%
2002 3.13% (The year I started with ccbill) had Ibill as my main at the time...

Then I combined all those years together... for an average decline rate of 10.68%

Now, while having the $121,891.70 Of added income lost from the declines would have been great The numbers do look pretty constant. All this is on my ONE site. giving me an pretty good view of history over the last 8 years billing with Ccbill.

I've been burned by Ibill, Paymode Myvirtualcard. Lets say for the sake of argument that at the time they where around their decline rate WAS lower... Add on what they took from me in the end and what do you think lost income % really was?

I'll stick with Ccbill.

BAKO · 11-12-2009, 05:32 AM

crazy mofo

SleazyDream · 11-12-2009, 05:38 AM

if ccbill's fucking people I'm bending over

AlphaSky · 11-12-2009, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plsureking

...... cascading doesnt happen if ccbill doesnt report or redirect the decline. more aggressive measures are required these days to ensure constant sales.

This scares me too.

pornguy · 11-12-2009, 06:06 AM

I dont think that CCBill makes a whole lot when they have to decline a transaction. So think about it that way. Think Ron wants to lose his company either way?? I dont, I think they and most of the processors are doing the right thing.

czarina · 11-12-2009, 06:11 AM

I did a test signup with my own credit card which has NEVER had a chargeback, is from the US, the mailing address was correct and everything was perfect, and I got denied.
Go figure!

czarina · 11-12-2009, 06:12 AM

what's the option, Epoch?

AlphaSky · 11-12-2009, 09:36 PM

interesting, no more comments, questions or answers.

I'm pretty shaken up with the accusations made and was hoping to hear more about it.

After Shock Media · 11-12-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaSky

"(like all billers) has a limited number of sales they can put thru to their bank in a business day. "
This scares me. Anybody have info on that statement? I'm gonna Google for banking info.
It would be nice to hear from a real banker on the inner workings.

That would mean all merchant accounts have a limited number of transactions they could do per day through Visa and MasterCard. Not just CCbill. I have had a personal merchant account a few times myself and even had one for both Discover Card and American Express - oh and Diners card too. I read every page of the manual each time that I got such a merchant account.
The only restrictions I ever saw were for something called a rolling reserve. I suppose if your reserve was not high enough you could not go past a set amount (not sure 100%). Issue is, that would be next to impossible because reserves are a percentage of your total sales and if that were the case then any smart person would just increase their reserves to keep making money.

Example - Imagine total number of transactions and a store like the 99 cent store or lets get more extreme. Imagine the havoc of a hot dog or beer stand at a major ballpark being limited to a set number of transactions. Pretty damn sure they do more transactions per hour than many billers may do in a day.

Quote:

Originally Posted by czarina

I did a test signup with my own credit card which has NEVER had a chargeback, is from the US, the mailing address was correct and everything was perfect, and I got denied.
Go figure!

Question since you say it is from the US. Are you located in the US right now or are you in Mexico?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaSky

interesting, no more comments, questions or answers.
I'm pretty shaken up with the accusations made and was hoping to hear more about it.

I responded.
I am more curious why nobody responded to me

KrissyElise · 11-12-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF

And on top of that, the name on the card was female...

WHAT IN THE FUCK is up with that shit???

Epic fail explained.....

harvey · 11-12-2009, 10:42 PM

I don't know how it's now, but at least up to 2 years ago, the "ultrascrubbing" came from Paycom (they simply banned entire countries) with CCBill quite better than Paycom. However, as much hate as it gets (I'm kinda out fo the loop with that, so no idea why), the best biller in terms of approval/renewals was Verotel. Again, no idea how it is now, but the previous testing I ran for 3-4 years shown me that. Maybe that changed.

On a side note, to plsrking: do you spy on your CMS client's? if not, how do you monitor it?

and btw, the thread title is way out of line

10-25-2009, 10:29 AM	#101
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10-26-2009, 12:26 AM	#105
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10-26-2009, 11:15 AM	#109
David! By the wrath of Agamemnon Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Miami Posts: 6,501	The economy is in the shitter, credit card companies are cancelling accounts left and right and cutting credit lines of pretty much all the remainings open accounts. What you need is to use cascade billings and make sure you cover all your bases. Credit cards, debit card, euro card, euro debit, phone and sms, online checks and if you have the manpower, I would even offer mail in checks. Times are tough and you cannot afford to leave any money on the table, and of course if you want to cover yourself with global phone and SMS, then you just need to contact me __________________ .

10-26-2009, 11:21 AM	#110
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11-10-2009, 06:41 PM	#111
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10-25-2009, 11:43 AM	#103
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	You should compare with a merchant...the declines aren't everything, there are other factors, too, like how fast the join page loads, how easy/complicated it is, etc. Anyone with a merchant, how much better are your sales compared to 3rd party? 30, 50, 100% better?

10-25-2009, 12:17 PM	#104
CyberHustler Masterbaiter Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 26,092	See my sig yo...

11-11-2009, 05:48 AM	#115
Gerco Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,052	Hmm... I just ran a report for the year, and total count for declines was 12.57% on ccbill. That is both declined new signups and declined re-bills together. Seems like a low enough number. But, you got my curiosity up so I went on... The exact period last year (2008) was 11.78% 2007 10.91% 2006 11.06% 2005 11.04% 2004 12.20% 2003 10.22% 2002 3.13% (The year I started with ccbill) had Ibill as my main at the time... Then I combined all those years together... for an average decline rate of 10.68% Now, while having the $121,891.70 Of added income lost from the declines would have been great The numbers do look pretty constant. All this is on my ONE site. giving me an pretty good view of history over the last 8 years billing with Ccbill. I've been burned by Ibill, Paymode Myvirtualcard. Lets say for the sake of argument that at the time they where around their decline rate WAS lower... Add on what they took from me in the end and what do you think lost income % really was? I'll stick with Ccbill. __________________ Http://www.extremehole.com ** CLOSED ** 400 HOURS of exclusive custom extreme content, already on external HD in Raw DV ready to encode. over 150,000 exclusive images and more.

11-12-2009, 03:00 AM	#117
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11-12-2009, 03:24 AM	#118
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	me thinks the guy who poeted this thread got OWNED big time __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-12-2009, 03:27 AM	#119
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11-12-2009, 05:32 AM	#122
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11-12-2009, 05:38 AM	#123
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	if ccbill's fucking people I'm bending over __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

11-12-2009, 06:06 AM	#125
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I dont think that CCBill makes a whole lot when they have to decline a transaction. So think about it that way. Think Ron wants to lose his company either way?? I dont, I think they and most of the processors are doing the right thing. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

11-12-2009, 06:11 AM	#126
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	I did a test signup with my own credit card which has NEVER had a chargeback, is from the US, the mailing address was correct and everything was perfect, and I got denied. Go figure!

11-12-2009, 06:12 AM	#127
czarina Webmaster Extraordinaire Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: A beautiful beach... Posts: 10,748	what's the option, Epoch?

11-12-2009, 09:36 PM	#128
AlphaSky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,013	interesting, no more comments, questions or answers. I'm pretty shaken up with the accusations made and was hoping to hear more about it.

11-12-2009, 10:42 PM	#131
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	I don't know how it's now, but at least up to 2 years ago, the "ultrascrubbing" came from Paycom (they simply banned entire countries) with CCBill quite better than Paycom. However, as much hate as it gets (I'm kinda out fo the loop with that, so no idea why), the best biller in terms of approval/renewals was Verotel. Again, no idea how it is now, but the previous testing I ran for 3-4 years shown me that. Maybe that changed. On a side note, to plsrking: do you spy on your CMS client's? if not, how do you monitor it? and btw, the thread title is way out of line __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth