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Old 12-31-2009, 12:25 PM   #101
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potter, are you saying that Lance Armstrong didnt ride his bike on the moon?!

Just the image of lance armstrong being asked about the moon landing is.. not far off from the birthers!
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:26 PM   #102
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It is now time for an all out revolution
Well, that sounds well thought out and rational.

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I am 100% all American, and to be my president you must be born in my country.
I don't care if you are pink, blue, green, yellow, or what color you are.

To represent me and my nation in my mind you must be born in my country.
Good thing John McCain lost then, since he was born in Panama - we really dodged a bullet there.

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It has nothing to do with with racism.... When I first heard that a black man was running, I was like maybe there will be a good change for the better. However, when I heard the name Borack Obama I immediately went to myself "WTF"?

I was expecting a name like or similar to Jessie Jackson, Michael Williams, an american former euro name. It is not about race, it is about citizenship. To be MY commander in chief you must at least be from my neighborhood!
That doesn't sound racist at all...

Now I understand why the Republican Governor of Louisiana likes to be called "Bobby" Jindal, instead of his birth name, Puyish Jindal (btw, both of his parents were born in India - yet he was under serious consideration as a GOP VP candidate in 2008).

Since you brought up the issue about names let's not forget that one of the main leaders of the birther movement (whom the OP cited), is named Orly Taitz:



Here is the how this leader of the birther movement conducts herself in debate:



Damn, that woman is shrill, hysterical and annoying as hell. I'm glad she's on your side.

Jon Stewart weighs in on the Birther issue:





I get a kick out of listening to and watching the lunatic fringe, but in one way it's scary to think that people can really be that obsessed and stupid.

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So all I need to do is move in the US and vote for my worst enemy? Awesome!

Really people You voted him, shouldn't you be cell-mates or something? Well not you but a few million other Americans...
yep, we voted him in, he's my president
Not against that, just question a few things, is that ok?

Like did you know that strawberry flavored rolling papers are illegal now?
http://snus-news.blogspot.com/2009/1...l-now-how.html
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If thats the case, they can prove it in court pretty easy and put this to rest
It's already been proven in the highest Court in the Country. Those little bitch law suits will never make it out of the lower courts, with good reason.


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something that pissed off everyone about Bush, go figure
America was never against fighting the war on terror, while some don't agree with going into Afgan more... that isn't the war American doesn't support.

It's Bush's War of Lies in Iraq...


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No, I'm not, just would like some questions that people have poised answered, bothers me that the president has time and time again promised transparency.
He isn't going to keep 100% of his promises, no president ever has. And as for being "more" transparent, he is... over Bush, GREATLY more transparent.


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so you got a pic of the original?
Aye, been posted in this thread... shots of the original, not blacked out.
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Old 12-31-2009, 12:40 PM   #106
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I witnessed Obama's birth, he came out with a beard, turban and an IED strapped to his chest.

THAT SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!
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Democrats and Republicans really have to learn to get along with eachother again, stuff like that is often a way to a civil war....
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It's already been proven in the highest Court in the Country. Those little bitch law suits will never make it out of the lower courts, with good reason.
So has the benifits of the healthcare bill



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America was never against fighting the war on terror, while some don't agree with going into Afgan more... that isn't the war American doesn't support.

It's Bush's War of Lies in Iraq...
we shouldn't be in any war till we can fix the mess we are in right now
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He isn't going to keep 100% of his promises, no president ever has. And as for being "more" transparent, he is... over Bush, GREATLY more transparent.
So it's ok to keep secrets when you promised transparency?
Or what about the promise of no pork barrel spending?
Those are some big ones, or don't you agree?


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Aye, been posted in this thread... shots of the original, not blacked out.
Sorry, didn't see the one thats not a copy, which one is that?
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What do you want to bet that everyone in this thread doesn't even know what the legal definition of citizen really is.
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What do you want to bet that everyone in this thread doesn't even know what the legal definition of citizen really is.
being a citizen is one thing, but to be the president, you have to be a natural born citizen, which means born here legally under the terms of the time.
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So has the benifits of the healthcare bill
Not sure what your point is here..


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War helps the economy.. check history


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So it's ok to keep secrets when you promised transparency?
Or what about the promise of no pork barrel spending?
Those are some big ones, or don't you agree?
He promised transparency on bills... not transparency in every single aspect of the Government.

Pork barrel wise, it was McCain that said "the first big-spending pork-barrel earmark bill that comes across my desk, I will veto it."

I have far less of a problem with his "pork" spending, than I do with Bush's War of Lies.


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Sorry, didn't see the one thats not a copy, which one is that?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
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Obama is not black. He's half white isn't he? So how can he be black?
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"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president;"

Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN - Even in the eyes of the conspiracy theory, he is a Natural Born Citizen. Even if the man wasn't actually born in Hawaii, under U.S. Law, he is legal!

Title 8 of the U.S. Code - Section 1401
  • Anyone born inside the United States
  • Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
  • Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
  • Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
  • Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
  • Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
  • A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
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being a citizen is one thing, but to be the president, you have to be a natural born citizen, which means born here legally under the terms of the time.
Unfortunately for us all the Supreme court supposedly makes the decisions with their "opinions" and there's one thing I can guarantee is however this Obama fiasco ends it won't be to the benefit of the people of the US. It is a fact that Obama is an has been a CIA spook since at the very least his first job out of college so his past is riddled with falsehoods. His "mother" was a CIA asset as well. We will never know the truth about him That's a fact. The Supreme court is and has been changing the rules as they go along under the "color of law" since the 1930's and anything they do will not be in contrast to what the "establishment" wishes them to do. Our history is not what we've been lead to believe it was and Obama's "citizen">ship is a very small part of the fraud on the American people.
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Not sure what your point is here..




War helps the economy.. check history




He promised transparency on bills... not transparency in every single aspect of the Government.

Pork barrel wise, it was McCain that said "the first big-spending pork-barrel earmark bill that comes across my desk, I will veto it."

I have far less of a problem with his "pork" spending, than I do with Bush's War of Lies.




http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
HHHMMM, if that is the original, why does it say 2007 on it, just wondering
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Unfortunately for us all the Supreme court supposedly makes the decisions with their "opinions" and theres one things I can guarantee is however this Obama fiasco ends it won;t be to the benefit of the people of the US. It is a fact that Obama is an dhas been a CIA spook since at the very least his first job out of college so his past is riddled with falsehoods. His "mother" was a CIA asset as well. We will never know the truth about him That's a fact. The Supreme court is and has been changing the rules as they go along under the "color of law" since the 1930's and anything they do will not be in contrast to what the "establishment" wishes them to do. Our history is not what we've been lead to believe it was and Obama's "citizen">ship is a very small part of the fraud on the American people.
He would have been legal for president well before the 1930's... in 1855, 1907 you only had to return and take an oath. Before that if you were a women, you didn't pass your citizenship rights down, only men did....

Pre-current times, it was very easy to be a legal "natural" born citizen of America... Much easier than today.
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He would have been legal for president well before the 1930's... in 1855, 1907 you only had to return and take an oath. Before that if you were a women, you didn't pass your citizenship rights down, only men did....

Pre-current times, it was very easy to be a legal "natural" born citizen of America... Much easier than today.
Which brings us back to the legal definition of the word "citizen" and the coloring of law.

Break out your coloring books and crayons kids and color some law.
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Which brings us back to the legal definition of the word "citizen" and the coloring of law.

Break out your coloring books and crayons kids and color some law.
Under ANY definition of a citizen, he is a citizen.
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Unfortunately for us all the Supreme court supposedly makes the decisions with their "opinions" and there's one thing I can guarantee is however this Obama fiasco ends it won't be to the benefit of the people of the US. It is a fact that Obama is an has been a CIA spook since at the very least his first job out of college so his past is riddled with falsehoods. His "mother" was a CIA asset as well. We will never know the truth about him That's a fact. The Supreme court is and has been changing the rules as they go along under the "color of law" since the 1930's and anything they do will not be in contrast to what the "establishment" wishes them to do. Our history is not what we've been lead to believe it was and Obama's "citizen">ship is a very small part of the fraud on the American people.
Over the last decade a lot of laws have been changing without anyone knowing about them, if we don't start questioning everything, we won't be able to question it in the near future
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HHHMMM, if that is the original, why does it say 2007 on it, just wondering
Do you understand how CoB work? None of have an original, we all have copies. We can request them from the local "COURTS" in the area we were born in, to get a copy, and they certify it as being an original.

Like my CoB, is a copy that we ordered from the local court house were I was born - because I didn't have a copy. After I proved who I was, they sent me a certified copy of the original along with photo scans for my backup records.
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Over the last decade, not one single citizenship law has changed.
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Even Bill O'rielly has said this is a non issue as he had his staff obtain the President's birth certificate and he has personally seen it. The real question is how many times does the President have to prove that he is a natural born citizen to satisfy the birther nut cases? Of course that question is rhetorical as the answer is the nut cases will never be satisfied.
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Jon Stewart will step in as interrim president, and of course be re-elected in 2012 (just in time for the end of the world)

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then he won't mind showing the original then, correct?
It's been said that over 1.7 million dollars have been spent against this going to court, you have to wonder why?
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Not saying I dont believe he is a citizen but....

I'm not saying you beat your wife but...

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Words cannot describe just how dumb most Obama haters really are.
Words cannot describe how dumb people who think that the Republicans and Democrats are actually separate parties. They are BOTH controlled by the same elites
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It's been said that over 1.7 million dollars have been spent against this going to court, you have to wonder why?
Because some people have nothing better to do.
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He's not talking about that. He wants to interject his loony notion of what a citizen is and how they are owned by and are slaves of the state.
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Under any current definition (thanks to the color of law).. I mentioned the 1930's for one reason but you are right the changing of the "definition" of "citizen" began as far as I can tell with Lincoln and the "freeing of the slaves." He didn't free anybody, he just made them "citizens" of the District of Columbia. This was done under the guise of allowing them to vote. It should also be noted that once again Obama studied Lincoln and Roosevelt for these and other reasons.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:52 PM   #130
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then he won't mind showing the original then, correct?
It's been said that over 1.7 million dollars have been spent against this going to court, you have to wonder why?
It's been said he's a citizen, you have to wonder why?
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:52 PM   #131
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then he won't mind showing the original then, correct?
It's been said that over 1.7 million dollars have been spent against this going to court, you have to wonder why?
I'b be willing to be it's nothing like that and probably more like 1.7 million has been wasted by the courts from the wing nuts bringing frivolous claims to courts challenging obama's BC/citizenship.
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Old 12-31-2009, 01:54 PM   #132
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The real question is how many times does the President have to prove that he is a natural born citizen to satisfy the birther nut cases? Of course that question is rhetorical as the answer is the nut cases will never be satisfied.
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This thread is thick with conspiracy.
Way too much to swallow it whole.
The conspiracy is so thick you could cut it wif' a knife though.
I wonder how it tastes.
Say, will someone cut me off a slice?
I wonder if it would taste good with some maple syrup on it?

Oh who'm I kidding? Everything tastes good with a lil' maple syrup on it.

Down the hatch.
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Even Bill O'rielly has said this is a non issue as he had his staff obtain the President's birth certificate and he has personally seen it. The real question is how many times does the President have to prove that he is a natural born citizen to satisfy the birther nut cases? Of course that question is rhetorical as the answer is the nut cases will never be satisfied.
There are two different types of a birth certificate for a reason. Most people would like to know why he won't show the long form.
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Damn that's some tastey cumspiracy.

You guys should all have a swaller.
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In addition to the confusion he went to Occidental College on a foreign scholarship.
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I'b be willing to be it's nothing like that and probably more like 1.7 million has been wasted by the courts from the wing nuts bringing frivolous claims to courts challenging obama's BC/citizenship.
actually, some stuff I read said it was not including the court charges, then it's well over 2 million.
Anyways, it's the constitution that is calling for this, if someone brings it to court, then it should be answered, if Obama has nothing to hide, then there is no problem
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Because some people have nothing better to do.
simple statement fits here

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This thread is thick with conspiracy.
Way too much to swallow it whole.
The conspiracy is so thick you could cut it wif' a knife though.
I wonder how it tastes.
Say, will someone cut me off a slice?
I wonder if it would taste good with some maple syrup on it?

Oh who'm I kidding? Everything tastes good with a lil' maple syrup on it.

Down the hatch.
This country has been like this since the begining
The mayflower didn't come here for religious freedom
they wanted to control who they interacted with
the ships log for the mayflower said they needed to pull into Plymouth Rock because they were out of beer. That was the second place they pulled into in the new world and their third stop
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If thats the case, they can prove it in court pretty easy and put this to rest
They probably should have thought of this before spending millions and millions of dollars on campaigning.
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Under any current definition (thanks to the color of law).. I mentioned the 1930's for one reason but you are right the changing of the "definition" of "citizen" began as far as I can tell with Lincoln and the "freeing of the slaves." He didn't free anybody, he just made them "citizens" of the District of Columbia. This was done under the guise of allowing them to vote. It should also be noted that once again Obama studied Lincoln and Roosevelt for these and other reasons.
Maybe he did sign some way to make them citizens, that's what presidents do...even if it was fake, it worked.. they look pretty damn free to me.

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There are two different types of a birth certificate for a reason. Most people would like to know why he won't show the long form.
Even if he wasn't born on American soil, he is still able to be president even under the old pre-1930 laws..
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Old 12-31-2009, 02:17 PM   #142
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Like has been said, nothing will put anything to rest. This is not an actual argument or issue, it's a contrivance by strategists to paint all democrats as bad. It's less about Obama and more about 2010 elections. Obama could save a drowning nun...
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Like has been said, nothing will put anything to rest. This is not an actual argument or issue, it's a contrivance by strategists to paint all democrats as bad. It's less about Obama and more about 2010 elections. Obama could save a drowning nun...
You realize the birther movement was started by a Democrat right?
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LMAO insanity but people will by it! This has been going before the election!
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Simple, let him prove he's a citizen in court, then it will be done with
He shouldn't have a problem with that being a president that promised transparency!
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I witnessed Obama's birth, he came out with a beard, turban and an IED strapped to his chest.

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You realize the birther movement was started by a Democrat right?
You have a way of simply avoiding the point and mentioning who started it.

It doesnt matter anyway because most people know this is just a distraction and a GOP strategy. As soon as the case is laughed away and Orly is fined again for wasting court time again (prediction), the strategists will move the goal posts and start up again on the next crazy lunatic fringe nonsense.
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Anyways, it's the constitution that is calling for this, if someone brings it to court, then it should be answered, if Obama has nothing to hide, then there is no problem
What don't you understand that he has a birth certificate?

Just because YOU think that birth certificate is bullshit, doesn't make YOUR opinion the end of the debate.

You say the constitution calls for him to be a citizen. Well, he has a birth certificate. He has been proven to be a citizen. Those are the facts. How can you not grasp reality here?!?!? Pinch yourself or something, WAKE UP.
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being a citizen is one thing, but to be the president, you have to be a natural born citizen, which means born here legally under the terms of the time.
it's a stupid fucking law
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Anyone who is a birther today is a FUCKING IDIOT!
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