The Demon

Poor guy. His denial is so bad that he has to take what is said to him, and repeat it verbatim. I've heard of this kind of low self esteem and I certainly hope it isn't bordering on suicide. I mean how many times can I own you before you say enough is enough?

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TheDoc

"I've heard" - ha! Damn another lie... you can't stop today can you?


Let's go ahead and refresh your lies...


Lies... total bullshit lies.

More even total bullshit lies....

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The Demon

This is WAY too easy. Here, I'll use your logic. "PROVE ME WRONG"

Btw, you can't seeing as how you don't know who I know which makes your comment as stupid as the rest of other comments.

As to the 2nd, I can provide you with all of the polls I've seen online that prove my case.

Then again, I would only do this once you prove your bullshit that most people want universal healthcare(you can't), that America is moving towards the left(it's not), and that you're intelligent(you're not). Otherwise, another easy victory for me.

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trevesty

Anyone who thinks this bill is worth a damn needs their brain checked. Although I'm libertarian, I'd bite the bullet if the bill wasn't full of corporate welfare. When it fails, liberals will somehow find a way to blame it on capitalism and Republicans.. and Republicans will probably do something stupid as well.

TheDoc

Just because you spew lies, over and over... actually, you're just a fucking idiot.

This is literally one of thousands of polls, when worded correctly shows the truth.. happened to be the first result, with so many to choose from.

- Poll: Americans Overwhelmingly Favor Universal Health Care -- Until Taxes Are Mentioned
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...-mentioned.php

America is moving towards the left... the "idea" of being Conservative is growing but it also includes "liberal" ideals.. that's why the question says Liberal VS Conservative and not Christian Right.

The reality is, in the last 40 years our Country has moved left, greatly... only a fool would deny that and it will continue to do so, as history in all over the world has proven.

Pimp slapped round 2...

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The Demon

This one is too easy

Here's one
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102349/an...americans.aspx

Wait wait, here's another one. Guess what though, gallup polls are the most "credible" in regards to polls.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx

Oh what's the matter? Is theDoc using polls as his argument? Too sad.
I'm afraid Gallup doesn't support any of your assertions. Owned
Except the exact opposite is true. America is center/center-right on the MAJORITY of social issues. Go ahead and provide proof of various issues that prove America is moving towards the left. Since you can't, I'll allow you to concede.

Ah the typical TheDoc response. Make shit up, then call anyone who doesn't believe it some retarded name, then use irrelevant misdirection, followed by repeating insults, and start all over again.


Owned once again.

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TheDoc

Those polls prove my point... moron.

Your first articles title "Any Healthcare Reform Plan Will Do for Americans" - Idiot...

And the 2nd link... 47% vs. 50% (no) healthcare coverage, or is that not the responsibility of the federal government? But wait.... lets backup 1 month, and it flips 54/41...

Did you actually read what was posted? No, clearly not...

Again... you're an anti-American, or borderline terrorist within our nation.


Yes, when they poll people "today" and ask them, it appears many are center-right (with our current issues) However, as a Country, the entire Country is far far far more liberal than they were 30 years ago.

That's a fact that anyone can see, being so... it's only a mater of time before we have universal healthcare, we just need a few more old fucks to die off.




Yep, I insult you.. you're an idiot, I can't stop from it.

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The Demon

No, they don't, because polls prove nothing. And the one poll that DOES have more credibility than any other poll proves that you're wrong. Tool

Look at the heading. Playing stupid only works for you sometimes.

Yup, and this is how arguments work. Your argument goes as far as today, not a month ago, not a year ago. The fact that you can't construct a single cogent argument shows your stupidity.

Ah man this is priceless. No wonder I started to support abortion. I would like proof that you have kids because I don't think anyone would believe someone who can barely breathe on his own, can actually procreate.




Yet your initial statement was that the country is moving towards the left and the right is dying out. Since the 60s the country has moved somewhat to the left, but it's pretty much the law of diminishing returns now. Do you even remember half of the shit you type? Back peddling ftw!

Ah yes, when lacking proof, lets use the old "anyone can see" tool. I do realize you're too stupid to understand that "anyone" isn't proof, nor can be used as proof. But again, I don't think anyone expects you to form a legitimate argument.





Owned a 3rd time.

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TheDoc

So polls prove nothing now, but you post them and want proof? Ok.... they do prove over and over and over again that Americans want this, you can reword it 100x ways, they still want it..


Yep, "Any" means, any.

Even when they try to twist the questions, they still get answers showing America wants this.

This is what all terrorists say...


Yeah, that's what I said... you not able to understand English?

Proof? Like this? As in, the "left" group, all of us are actually called Progressives? And when you look at Progressive vs. Conservatives they're almost equal, but when you look at which one is growing... only the progressive movement has had any growth, as all others are trying to build back to a peak they will never get back.


I makes me very happy knowing that most right/republicans, really aren't this stupid...

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The Demon

No, polls prove nothing, yet I told you I could find RECENT polls which show what Americans want and don't want. See, I back up what I say. You might want to try.




I've never talked to someone so delusional before. When you argue against reality, it gets funny.



I don't know anybody that understands half of the shit you type.

Actually I look at the social issues, and they favor the center/center right by a large margin. What you posted isn't proof, but good try.
Also, I can give you 10 links for every 1 link you throw up here..
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/pos..._hold_the.html
There's one. But I'm not as stupid as you to be claiming "LOLZ 1 link=proof!!!"

Considering how I have a harder time arguing with a mentally handicapped adolescent, it doesn't surprise me when I see the left dying out slowly. I mean, look who follows leftist ideologies, the dumbest person on a porn forum(you if you're too slow to grasp this concept).

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TheDoc

Ohhhhh, so another words - you have nothing but spew to say...

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The Demon

Yep, owned again. Maybe you should have your little kids help you debate? I think you'd stand a better chance of not looking like a fool again.

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TheDoc

How many more articles/polls are you going to post that support what I said?

Quote "The shift from 2008 is hardly startling. Conservatives were up three points from 2008, moderates down one and liberals down two. On the other hand, the country was ever so slightly less conservative in the most recent third quarter of the year than it was in the second quarter"

"It’s not exactly clear which way the trend is running."

IE: It's coming back to even, not ahead, not winning, not pulling ahead... you moron.

Now... when when we look at progressives vs. conservatives, we see they are about equal and that progressives are gaining ground. Link again...

Again... conservatives is a dieing group, grasping at anything they can to hold on and without the Christian base of brainwashed people, they would be dust!

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The Demon

Are you purposely being stupid?
Really? Because you said this:
What's the matter TheDoc? Too stupid to remember your own bullshit? Owned.

See ownage above.

I'll take "unsupported assumptions for $500", Alex.

Owned yet again.

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TheDoc

We aren't debating anything...

You have posted so many lies, backed up and proven as lies, this is not a debate... at this point I have to post to make sure you don't influence people with your pathological lying.

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TheDoc

Umm.... yeah that's the quote, and I have repeated what I said about it like 10x times.. It's not really hard to understand.

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The Demon

Uhuh.. So you've basically conceded because you can't remember which opinion you hold, and you want to make sure people don't call you on your bullshit so you continue with the misdirection. You're right, it isn't a debate. A debate requires two people to argue logically. You can't form a sentence without stumbling over something, so this is more of a 1 sided argument with a humorous troll in the background.

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The Demon

So you admit to contradicting yourself, then try and claim it's not hard to understand? Nice, I accept your concession. Next, I expect you to claim that you're baiting me and that you're not really this stupid.

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TheDoc

I concede to, what? Did we have a contest, was a prize going to be given out?

But sure.. you can say you won or I misdirected you, or whatever... fact still remains, your a lying pile of shit.

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The Demon

Oh yea totally, thanks for accepting the fact that you're an imbecile who can't follow an argument.

You're* btw.

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TheDoc

Sure, I admit that you think I contradicted myself... what I typed was very easy and clear to understand... only an idiot could possibly confuse it.

IE: why you're the only one arguing it.

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TheDoc

Spelling police aleart.... "it's yeah, not yea" or is it, wait... I'm not the popo!

Your still an idi0t...

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The Demon

I'm the only one arguing it because nobody else is in the thread right now. And yes, back to the "anybody could.." logic. Nice back peddle. You're hilariously retarded. Keep amusing me.

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AmeliaG

As someone who is uninsured and has paid high medical bills some years, I feel very qualified to say that I do not want to be forced to buy health insurance and this bill is not for me. I have been forced to buy car insurance since I could drive, of course, and that has never worked out in my favor. Pure insurance company bailout to add a little more sugar to what they already gave AIG.

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TheDoc

The majority of GFY ignores threads like this once they see you, 12c, and a few others post, they exit and don't return. As we can see from most posts like this, it's only you guys supporting each other - and with you - it's only you supporting your other thoughts...

You are correct about one thing, "anybody could" is wrong, clearly you're to stupid to understand it..

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The Demon

Yes, says the idiot who uses "anybody could" as an argument. And the only time I've seen anyone address you on this forum involved some sort of an insult, so maybe GFY ignores threads the minute you start typing? I sure as hell know that when I'm in threads that don't involve you, they are lively. Time for a career change=>(I know you're too stupid to understand anything that was just typed).

Btw, the word is too, not to. How sad it must be for your kids, knowing they're smarter than their adult father.

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The Demon

Let's try TheDoc logic here. Hey kid, anybody can see that you're an idiot, therefore you're an idiot!

For more polls, tune in to:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...130.html#polls

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TheDoc

Dude, your a nobody... that has admitted to do nothing in our Industry, why would you know anything about anyone in this business? Pathetic Poser...even pretending, pfft..

As I said, I'm only posting to keep people free of your lies.. You can slam me, think you're hurting me.. Truly, I love it.

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TheDoc

Correct... you're an idiot, "everyone and anyone" can see it.. I have even seen people say it to you (yep others), over and over. It's not like it's a secret.

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TheDoc

Try to keep up, stupid... nobody is arguing if Obama's plan is liked or not.

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The Demon

Ahhhh, the denial and delusions of a desperate man on the verge of breakdown. I WOULD say that every post I've seen directed at you has been an insult, but that would be too harsh and I would be appealing to the majority. Instead, I enjoy making you look stupid by myself.

"Dude your a nobody!!"

HAHAHAHA

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The Demon

Try to keep up reject, Obama's #1 provision in his plan included universal health care. This is too easy, put someone with a triple digit IQ on the computer for a change.

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TheDoc

Wow man, do you do anything, but lie?

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nation-x

The IQ of this thread fell to sub retarded level.

TheDoc

But at the end of the day... it's not universal health care.

It's a start, it's what our Country needs even if it's not the best start. Getting it going today will save us trillions down the road... just like it has every other nation with social health care.

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Rangermoore

OMFG... We agree on something...

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The Demon

No, it's NOT what this country needs, and it never will be. It WONT keep costs down. The only thing it's going to do is bankrupt an already bankrupt nation. Stop pretending that universal health care is the answer and that everybody loves it because this is as far from the truth as it gets.

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TheDoc

Sorry guys... I will ignore The Demons lies and stay on subject now.

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The Demon

No offense but what you guys were saying before you were interrupted didn't exactly exhibit intelligence either.

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The Demon

HAHAHA yea, because THATS what they were saying. And the denial continues.

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TheDoc

How could someone that paid "high medical bills for years" be okay to pay those high bills, when $200 or less a month could have covered everything?


You're okay paying out $10k's a year for medical costs vs. less than $2400 a year? That's crazy, what you paid out in medical costs for 1 year could have paid for your coverage for your entire life...

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The Demon

Someone fails to realize that the money for universal healthcare has to come from somewhere. And that only works if you're running some kind of a surplus, not all deficits.

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danclips

That shit isn't free. What's your income tax rate like?

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TheDoc

A Canadian pays less taxes than an American... yep, sux balls.. And it's free, it's a natural born right that you don't pay for, then... but when you start working, or you can opt-out of it..

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danclips

"You're okay paying out $10k's a year for medical costs vs. less than $2400 a year? That's crazy, what you paid out in medical costs for 1 year could have paid for your coverage for your entire life..."

What world do you live in where health insurance is -$200 a month? I want to live in that world.

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The Demon

The population of Canada is a smidge over 33 million. Way to compare it to America, dumbass. And Canadians pay about the same taxes.

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The Demon

Here's a good read for people weighing the Pros and Cons.


http://www.balancedpolitics.org/univ...ealth_care.htm

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danclips

"A Canadian pays less taxes than an American... yep, sux balls.. And it's free, it's a natural born right that you don't pay for, then... but when you start working, or you can opt-out of it.."

A canadian in British Columbia making $120k a year pays a grand total of 43.7% of his income in taxes.

That is considerably more than most Americans making the same amount are taxed, depending on the state that they live in.

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^^^^^^^^

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TheDoc

Hehe, that's with Canadian insurance costs added in... Once you add our costs on, well... we get taxed far more. That's before state tax too, for us.. And the tax they get also includes things like: Legal music downloads, they also pay you back on gas/heating costs (in Alberta at least) and other random things - that drop your tax rate.

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