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AaronM · 04-14-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by nation-x

baddog showed me a pic of someone carrying at TPF

That would be Mark from Cybercat. Looked like it may have been a compact .45

Now...On to the current AZ concealed weapons issue:

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states - Illinois and Wisconsin - prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=12282386

dyna mo · 04-14-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

That would be Mark from Cybercat. Looked like it may have been a compact .45

Now...On to the current AZ concealed weapons issue:

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states - Illinois and Wisconsin - prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=12282386

holy moly, that is crazy stuff right there.

AaronM · 04-14-2010, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

holy moly, that is crazy stuff right there.

I figure you mean that it's crazy that all states have not done this already?

dyna mo · 04-14-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I figure you mean that it's crazy that all states have not done this already?

well, i am in favor of the right to bear arms but am unsure as to relaxing the ccw laws, i don't see the need or goal in doing so.

along those same lines, i also do not understand removing fed oversight for guns manufactured in AZ.

jimmy-3-way · 04-14-2010, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

speaking of, i was recently kicked out of a retail store for not removing my motorcycle helmet when i entered, 1st time that has happened in 25 years of riding.

Some clerk at a convenience store tried to boot me out for not taking off my hood and glasses.

I told her to eat a dick and take my money.

notime · 04-14-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

That would be Mark from Cybercat. Looked like it may have been a compact .45

Now...On to the current AZ concealed weapons issue:

PHOENIX (AP) - The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states - Illinois and Wisconsin - prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.

http://www.wect.com/Global/story.asp?S=12282386

That was Mark alright. He told me the name of the gun, but I forgot.
Seems several states allow that in the US.
He only pulled his gun once in his live, he said, when somebody tried to rob him on the streets.

AaronM · 04-14-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

well, i am in favor of the right to bear arms but am unsure as to relaxing the ccw laws, i don't see the need or goal in doing so.

along those same lines, i also do not understand removing fed oversight for guns manufactured in AZ.

I haven't looked at the AZ oversight thing so I'm not going to comment on that until I know more about it.

However, the CCW thing is a great move IMHO. As the article says, criminals will carry concealed anyway so this law has NOTHING to do with them and everything to do with the citizens ability to protect themselves.

Open carry is already allowed in AZ as well as some other states but it also tends to make others uncomfortable. I walked into a gas station with Dirty Danza when he was open carrying and you could tell from the look on other customers faces that they were not liking the situation. Had the weapon been out of sight then nobody would have been uncomfortable.

The bottom line is that if you can legally purchase the weapon then why does the Government not trust you to carry it concealed? Whether the person is a criminal or not, the Police are trained to approach every situation with caution simply because you never know if the people involved are armed or not. If they are armed and they can legally purchased a weapon then the likelihood of them having criminal intentions is extremely low.

When cities, counties, states, etc...have enacted similar laws, the crime rates typically drop drastically.

kristin · 04-14-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

looks like a hoodlum...but he gets to carry a handgun...awesome

now i know why people in arizona are so friendly

you never know who is packin

Goes back to the Cowboy days. =)

They just passed a law you can now take them into bars in AZ.

AaronM · 04-14-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by notime

That was Mark alright. He told me the name of the gun, but I forgot.
Seems several states allow that in the US.
He only pulled his gun once in his live, he said, when somebody tried to rob him on the streets.

I had a guy come after me with a fire axe once. Had I not been packing, I'm not sure how that may have ended.

Bugbee · 04-14-2010, 02:34 PM

he is a pussy what the fuck is up with the helmet?

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