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kane · 07-08-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

WHy shouldl there be a fine? Aren't we already supposedly paying for the police ouot of our tax dollars? Not..

What legal issues? They have to drive you to jail don't they? I'm much more likely to sue a cop for enforcing an unconstitutional law than I am taking me home.. But thats just me..

You are the one that said "citation" I assumed that meant a fine. If there is no fine then what good is the citation?

As for driving someone home. Here is how it could go down. The cop pulls you over, you are drunk. He says, "You are a bad boy, here is your little note to remind you not to do it again and now we will drive you home. You live 20 miles away. While they are driving you home another call comes in of an assault. Because you live in a little town like I do there is often only 1 or 2 cops on late at night. The cop is delayed responding to this other call the person gets hurt. They decide to sue the police department because they didn't respond fast enough. Don't think it will happen? The town I live in was sued because it took the cops more than 5 minutes to respond to an alarm at this guy's business and he fucking won!

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3 times in a lifetime? Or do they just make up 3 times in 10 years and if they find one within 10 years they can go back another ten years and so on? We haven't even got into the discussion of the "record" and how that record affects said persons life..

Yes, 3 times in a lifetime. I think it is not too much to ask that people be responsible for their own actions. I have gone through 39 years of my life without driving drunk, I don't think it is too much to ask someone to not do this 3 times in a lifetime, and as I said above if you follow the rules when you get caught, you avoid going to jail.

How do you propose we deter people from driving drunk if we are just going to take them home and tell them shame?

onwebcam · 07-08-2010, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

You are the one that said "citation" I assumed that meant a fine. If there is no fine then what good is the citation?

As for driving someone home. Here is how it could go down. The cop pulls you over, you are drunk. He says, "You are a bad boy, here is your little note to remind you not to do it again and now we will drive you home. You live 20 miles away. While they are driving you home another call comes in of an assault. Because you live in a little town like I do there is often only 1 or 2 cops on late at night. The cop is delayed responding to this other call the person gets hurt. They decide to sue the police department because they didn't respond fast enough. Don't think it will happen? The town I live in was sued because it took the cops more than 5 minutes to respond to an alarm at this guy's business and he fucking won!?

OK now we're getting somewhere. So a cop pulls over someone based on a statute. Your example was what a broken head light? First of all what the fuck does it matter if a person has a broken headlight? Really how petty do we need to get? The cop should spend his time in fighting actual crimes. As in your example of a B&E. But in reality they are of no use there because all they do is show up after such things have occured and write a report. But because they are spending so much time jumping out of bushes catching people with broken headlights to generate revenue they don;t have time for those things.

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Originally Posted by kane

Yes, 3 times in a lifetime. I think it is not too much to ask that people be responsible for their own actions. I have gone through 39 years of my life without driving drunk, I don't think it is too much to ask someone to not do this 3 times in a lifetime, and as I said above if you follow the rules when you get caught, you avoid going to jail.

How do you propose we deter people from driving drunk if we are just going to take them home and tell them shame?

Congrats, you must not be a drinker.. I know no person who has ever drank that has never drank and driven. Or are you one of those who thinks he knows how much equals being too drunk to drive? I'm sure a BAC would change your mind..

Again jailing and fining doesn't solve the problem. It ony makes the persons life worse and gerates revenue for the municipality.. Which BTW all revenues are hidden from the public via the CAFR AKA second set of books.

Hell let's take this into an even deeper mindfuck.. Did you know that "driving" in reality has a entirely different "legal" meaning that you might even think?

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kane · 07-08-2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

OK now we're getting somewhere. So a cop pulls over someone based on a statute. Your example was what a broken head light? First of all what the fuck does it matter if a person has a broken headlight? Really how petty do we need to get? The cop should spend his time in fighting actual crimes. As in your example of a B&E. But in reality they are of no use there because all they do is show up after such things have occured and write a report. But because they are spending so much time jumping out of bushes catching people with broken headlights to generate revenue they don;t have time for those things.

Most of the time they pull someone over for a broken light or something petty so they can check to make sure you aren't driving with a suspended license or without insurance.

At least if they were late responding to a call because they had someone pulled over it was them doing their job, not acting as a taxi service for someone who can't take responsibility for themselves.

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Congrats, you must not be a drinker.. I know no person who has ever drank that has never drank and driven. Or are you one of those who thinks he knows how much equals being too drunk to drive? I'm sure a BAC would change your mind..

Again jailing and fining doesn't solve the problem. It ony makes the persons life worse and gerates revenue for the municipality.. Which BTW all revenues are hidden from the public via the CAFR AKA second set of books.

I'm not a heavy drinker. I probably drink a few times a months and get drunk a few times a year. I have never EVER, not once driven drunk. Not that I think I can tell that I know how much booze can make me drunk. If I go out to dinner and I am driving I drink no booze. If I go to a friends and I am driving home, I don't drink any booze. NEVER! Not once!. I'm not saying people have to be as anal about it as I am. I think a person could go out and have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner and be fine, but there is absolutely no excuse for going to a bar, having 10 shots of booze, getting falling down drunk and driving.

So I ask for the third time, how do you suggest we deter people from drinking and driving? You say finding and jailing them won't work. So great! What will? Send them to a treatment class? For how long? What kind of punishment do you get if you don't complete the classes?

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onwebcam · 07-08-2010, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Most of the time they pull someone over for a broken light or something petty so they can check to make sure you aren't driving with a suspended license or without insurance.

At least if they were late responding to a call because they had someone pulled over it was them doing their job, not acting as a taxi service for someone who can't take responsibility for themselves.

I'm not a heavy drinker. I probably drink a few times a months and get drunk a few times a year. I have never EVER, not once driven drunk. Not that I think I can tell that I know how much booze can make me drunk. If I go out to dinner and I am driving I drink no booze. If I go to a friends and I am driving home, I don't drink any booze. NEVER! Not once!. I'm not saying people have to be as anal about it as I am. I think a person could go out and have a beer or a glass of wine with dinner and be fine, but there is absolutely no excuse for going to a bar, having 10 shots of booze, getting falling down drunk and driving.

So I ask for the third time, how do you suggest we deter people from drinking and driving? You say finding and jailing them won't work. So great! What will? Send them to a treatment class? For how long? What kind of punishment do you get if you don't complete the classes?

I applaud you in your convictions but it's just not how everyone is.. We all have our "rebeliousness" I guess.. And considering there are over 1 million laws on the books in the US thanks to everyone wanting to control everyone else it leads to us all The average American commits three felonies a day.

I guess if they don't complete the treatments there's not much you can do. But it costs much less and it can be tried and tried again for much less.. Jail isn't going to do anything but cost us all more money I can tell you that.

BTW "driving" "driver" is one conducting business on the roadways such as a truck or taxi cab driver. Confirmed by multiple supreme court rulings. Not a man or woman traveling from point a to b..

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kane · 07-08-2010, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam

I applaud you in your convictions but it's just not how everyone is.. We all have our "rebeliousness" I guess.. And considering there are over 1 million laws on the books in the US thanks to everyone wanting to control everyone else it leads to us all The average American commits three felonies a day.

I guess if they don't complete the treatments there's not much you can do. But it costs much less and it can be tried and tried again for much less.. Jail isn't going to do anything but cost us all more money I can tell you that.

BTW "driving" "driver" is one conducting business on the roadways such as a truck or taxi cab driver. Confirmed by multiple supreme court rulings. Not a man or woman traveling from point a to b..

Well, I guess we will probably have to agree to disagree on this. I think we need to give these people treatment and try to fix the problem so that people who have legit problems can hopefully fix it. But I feel that if there are not real consequences for people's actions they will have very little reason to stop their behavior. If we tell them, "You need to go to treatment and if you fail at it, I guess we will just give you another chance and another chance and another chance." People that fail rehab more than a couple of times tend to need something major to happen to them before they realize that they do need help and take getting better seriously. I would just rather that something major be something like going to jail for a period of time or some kind of hammer brought down on them to jar them into action then for that thing to be that they killed or crippled someone with their car.

onwebcam · 07-08-2010, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

Well, I guess we will probably have to agree to disagree on this. I think we need to give these people treatment and try to fix the problem so that people who have legit problems can hopefully fix it. But I feel that if there are not real consequences for people's actions they will have very little reason to stop their behavior. If we tell them, "You need to go to treatment and if you fail at it, I guess we will just give you another chance and another chance and another chance." People that fail rehab more than a couple of times tend to need something major to happen to them before they realize that they do need help and take getting better seriously. I would just rather that something major be something like going to jail for a period of time or some kind of hammer brought down on them to jar them into action then for that thing to be that they killed or crippled someone with their car.

It's not really that we disagree on anything. It's just that you think our system is something that it isn't. It is really a system setup to generate money. Not to help anyone except those who benefit from it. And those people are not you and I. (speaking as if you are one of the general public) but with that said even the majority of the people who are working for the "system" don't even realize what they are doing. They believe that they are doing is the right thing but in reality they are serving a very deceptive system.

ottopottomouse · 07-08-2010, 04:40 AM

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