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Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 03:29 AM

I was reading through one of those Carb books over the weekend and it was saying something to the effect of anything over 15g of sugar per day will lead to belly fat. It was an interesting book, and had some delicious recipes in there.

For fun on Sunday I went though the grocery store looking at the bottles of the main 'name brands' versus the stuff recommended in the book. It would take some real commitment and 'counting' to keep below 15g of sugar per day as the book laid out. Sugar, or some variant, is in EVERYTHING!

I will say this though. By comparison to many of the other books I have read on the subject. The food appears to be better in these recipes than some of the others. Plus more variety.

PiffStenis · 01-31-2011, 05:36 AM

What's the book?

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 05:41 AM

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What's the book?

http://jorgecruise.com/

AntiChrist · 01-31-2011, 05:41 AM

Carbs are a form of sugar. So 15 grams of sugar is about the same as 15 grams of carbs.

Emil · 01-31-2011, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AntiChrist

Carbs are a form of sugar. So 15 grams of sugar is about the same as 15 grams of carbs.

Word. It's very hard to stay under ~20g of carbs since they put suger in everything. They even put glucose on fucking bacon! It's crazy.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Emil

Word. It's very hard to stay under ~20g of carbs since they put suger in everything. They even put glucose on fucking bacon! It's crazy.

Agreed.

After reading though this book, and analyzing all kinds food and condiments, it's almost impossible (a lot of counting) to get to 15g or less of daily sugar because it's in everything!!

CaptainHowdy · 01-31-2011, 06:09 AM

Read something else...

Sly · 01-31-2011, 06:29 AM

Sounds like bull. Carbs have been given a bad rap by "fitness gurus." New studies have been coming out that say even diabetics should not stay away from carbs and sugar the way people have been preaching for years. Everybody is different, every body is different, every lifestyle is different... we each need to find systems that work for *us* and stop listening to the latest "lose weight quick" quack.

DamianJ · 01-31-2011, 06:39 AM

Surely if you are making the food, you can avoid the sugars/corn syrup shit that is in everything?

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Surely if you are making the food, you can avoid the sugars/corn syrup shit that is in everything?

It is still difficult, but can be done to some degree.

You are going to have to swap out most of your current drinks, and condiments. Depending on what it is, and how much you eat or drink of it, there is the 'cost' of being more health conscious as well. My guess is it's between 25-40% more for the different products.

However, I would assume that investing in your health will save you down the road (additional health issues, premiums, etc.) in theory.

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 07:06 AM

Yes, processed sugars and foods in general, metabolize in your body in a way - that gives most people belly fat.

You should have as little sugar as possible every day... the calorie increase they give you isn't worth putting them in your body.

You will also sleep better, wake up easier, stay calmer, won't get agitated as easily... and lots of other mind/body things improve with a drop in sugar. For sure when we look at what most people already take in.. a single soda in a day is more sugar than you need for a week.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

For sure when we look at what most people already take in.. a single soda in a day is more sugar than you need for a week.

No shit foo!

A glass of OJ, or single can of Cola is something like 22 grams of sugar for an 8 oz size! Which if you are trying to stay under 15g of sugar, and 6g of carbs is madness for what most take in versus should be.

If you add up a fast food meal, or even some of the carbs from salad dressings, condiments, and every day food like bread, and so forth, you are hitting like 100g easily in a SINGLE DAY!

Which honestly makes sense as to why people can work out an hour a day and never lose shit for weight.

Chosen · 01-31-2011, 07:25 AM

Sugar is good for the brain

woj · 01-31-2011, 07:41 AM

that's bullshit, just one apple has 15g of sugar... you would have to drink water the whole day and eat cardboard to stay under 15g of sugar per day... and even then, you would come pretty damn close to 15g..

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

No shit foo!

A glass of OJ, or single can of Cola is something like 22 grams of sugar for an 8 oz size! Which if you are trying to stay under 15g of sugar, and 6g of carbs is madness for what most take in versus should be.

If you add up a fast food meal, or even some of the carbs from salad dressings, condiments, and every day food like bread, and so forth, you are hitting like 100g easily in a SINGLE DAY!

Which honestly makes sense as to why people can work out an hour a day and never lose shit for weight.

Anything processed, even oj & apple juice - which is processed, is complete trash if you're trying to drop weight. Liquid wise, milk(s) and water mostly - anything else is hurting you.

Processed foods with 0grams of sugar, still have sugar in them... it's 'based on weight' and anything below .5% can be listed as 0grams.... everything processed has sugar in it.

If you eat an apple, that single raw, unprocessed apple, has simple sugars & carbs. It still has more sugar in it that you need daily but it breaks down differently in your body, it's used smarter, and it doesn't metabolize in your body making fat blobs of shit grow in people.

Emil · 01-31-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's bullshit, just one apple has 15g of sugar... you would have to drink water the whole day and eat cardboard to stay under 15g of sugar per day... and even then, you would come pretty damn close to 15g..

OR you could eat:

eggs
meat
fish
chicken
cheese
butter
cream
some vegetables
....
......

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's bullshit, just one apple has 15g of sugar... you would have to drink water the whole day and eat cardboard to stay under 15g of sugar per day... and even then, you would come pretty damn close to 15g..

Keep in mind fine sire, this is just the 'eating portion'.

So if you sit on your fat ass, and just do his 15g sugar/6 carbs you would lose weight in theory. If you are walking 30 minutes a day, or spend 1-2 hours at the gym (i.e. adding in cardio and fitness), your body will obviously will need more calories and food.

Otherwise you will be ready to go on a killing spree.

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

that's bullshit, just one apple has 15g of sugar... you would have to drink water the whole day and eat cardboard to stay under 15g of sugar per day... and even then, you would come pretty damn close to 15g..

Simple sugar and carbs break down in the body correctly... Apples are good as long as you burn them off.

Processed sugars go through the body like alcohol does, exactly like it does... but your screwed out of being drunk.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If you eat an apple, that single raw, unprocessed apple, has simple sugars & carbs. It still has more sugar in it that you need daily but it breaks down differently in your body, it's used smarter

True dat. Apparently the complex sugars confuse your body to some degree.

Antonio · 01-31-2011, 08:04 AM

You will probably have to drink water only and eat nothing in order to do that...

jonnydoe · 01-31-2011, 08:04 AM

White bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes also convert into sugar. Amazing how many "wheat" breads are actually made from refined wheat instead of whole wheat.

maxxtro · 01-31-2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AntiChrist

Carbs are a form of sugar. So 15 grams of sugar is about the same as 15 grams of carbs.

No, but sugar is a form of carb...the worst one there is.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnydoe

White bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes also convert into sugar. Amazing how many "wheat" breads are actually made from refined wheat instead of whole wheat.

True dat.

Once you start paying attention to what is in the food you are eating, it's amazing.

maxxtro · 01-31-2011, 08:26 AM

dyna mo · 01-31-2011, 09:00 AM

i've had type1 diabetes for 27+ years, eat ~400-500 g of carbs daily, most of that from fruits like apples and bananas yet i have 6-pack abs and minimal body fat.

there is a lot of bad information in this thread.

PR_Glen · 01-31-2011, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnydoe

White bread, white rice, white pasta and potatoes also convert into sugar. Amazing how many "wheat" breads are actually made from refined wheat instead of whole wheat.

so do whole grains, just slower and more controlled. potatoes are not bad for you...

gravity causes belly fat, other than that it's lack of sufficient exercise. cutting down on sugar is just a healthier way of living, its not going to transform you into a fitness model.

ottopottomouse · 01-31-2011, 09:18 AM

Sitting around reading 15g of a book will make you fat too.

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i've had type1 diabetes for 27+ years, eat ~400-500 g of carbs daily, most of that from fruits like apples and bananas yet i have 6-pack abs and minimal body fat.

there is a lot of bad information in this thread.

That's because you work out... and not eating those nasty processed sugars.

If the carbs/sugars are in processed breads for example, is all around bad. Doesn't really make a diff how little or how much of it we eat.

dyna mo · 01-31-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

That's because you work out... and not eating those nasty processed sugars.

If the carbs/sugars are in processed breads for example, is all around bad. Doesn't really make a diff how little or how much of it we eat.

to a degree.

but it does make a difference how much is consumed, the twinkie diet showed that.

CaptainHowdy · 01-31-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

the twinkie diet showed that.

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

to a degree.

but it does make a difference how much is consumed, the twinkie diet showed that.

Supplementing good (vitos, protein shakes, veggies, etc) with the bad, is a balance - which is what happened on the Twinkie diet. If anything I think it shows eating bad and living a healthy life style can happen - a balance can be found... vs being a fat blob on the couch eating nothing but MD's and Twinkies all day, which we already know is bad.

dyna mo · 01-31-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

Supplementing good (vitos, protein shakes, veggies, etc) with the bad, is a balance - which is what happened on the Twinkie diet. If anything I think it shows eating bad and living a healthy life style can happen - a balance can be found... vs being a fat blob on the couch eating nothing but MD's and Twinkies all day, which we already know is bad.

actually the prof that did the original twinkie diet subsisted only on candy and confections.

some of his key health measures actually improved.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Sitting around reading 15g of a book will make you fat too.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc

If anything I think it shows eating bad and living a healthy life style can happen - a balance can be found... vs being a fat blob on the couch eating nothing but MD's and Twinkies all day, which we already know is bad.

TheDoc · 01-31-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

actually the prof that did the original twinkie diet subsisted only on candy and confections.

some of his key health measures actually improved.

While I agree portion control would help most people....

I'm pretty sure I remember reading that he ate veggies every day with his kids, he hid the bad foods away from them and ate healthy in front of them - so not to set a bad example.

He also didn't do it over the last 20 years to an extreme, and he maintained his healthy life style throughout that time, something most fat over weight people do not even remotely maintain even if they eat smaller amounts of food.

This diet as well includes a huge amount of preservatives, man made chemicals, corn syrups, and other crap that is extremely bad for the body... you may lose weight but dying of cancer before your 60, dick going limp early, and a ton of other crap these poisons do to our body isn't really living any healthier that just being a fat slob.

lazycash · 01-31-2011, 10:01 AM

My wife got that book by Jorge last year, The Belly Fat Cure. My wife and I already eat very clean and healthy, so it wasn't a big stretch to try this. Its definitely not impossible to maintain, but I could see how it could be quite an extreme change for some that might not be eating healthy. I didn't really need to lose any weight, but tried it along with my wife.

Hardest part initially for me was cutting out many fruits and veggies because of their natural sugar levels, but there are some that will work within the restrictions. I don't eat anything processed and primarily only drink water, so much of the changes were minor such as using unsweetened almond milk instead of regular non fat milk on a very low sugar cereal.

The book is a super easy read as each section has lists and pictures of the foods with brand names that you need to avoid along with their brand name substitute that worked within the diet, so there are no questions about what you'd need to buy in the store.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

The book is a super easy read as each section has lists and pictures of the foods with brand names that you need to avoid along with their brand name substitute that worked within the diet, so there are no questions about what you'd need to buy in the store.

Agreed. It is a much easier read than many of the other books on the topic IMHO. Plus it offered some decent "swaps" in regards to the meals. Other similar books and substitutes are very different than most would eat. Or complex to some degree. This was fairly easy.

I personally feel the drink "swaps" are the hardest with few options, at least for me. I do not drink coffee, tea, or things like that. I find it hard to drink a lot of just plain water. At least SoBe was an option. Although those Zevia were not too bad.

jonnydoe · 01-31-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

so do whole grains, just slower and more controlled. potatoes are not bad for you...

gravity causes belly fat, other than that it's lack of sufficient exercise. cutting down on sugar is just a healthier way of living, its not going to transform you into a fitness model.

I think the bad stuff about the white things is that they make your insulin spike since they are converted into sugar so fast. Thanks for correcting me on the potato thing. I thought when I researched in the past that they were.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

cutting down on sugar is just a healthier way of living, its not going to transform you into a fitness model.

I do not think anyone in this thread claimed that it would.

HomerSimpson · 01-31-2011, 11:29 AM

read this
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=16369569&postcount=19

Tom_PM · 01-31-2011, 11:46 AM

All breads and flours are processed else they would go rancid after 3 days or so on the shelf. So if you truly want fresh flour and bread, you can buy wheat berries in bulk which you can store up to 20 yrs, and you mill it and bake your bread.

Isn't it true that artificial sweeteners have the same basic effect on the body as sugar? They trigger the same mechanisms as if you were ingesting sugar? So the only real benefit is in the actual calories of the various sweeteners?

Emil · 01-31-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Isn't it true that artificial sweeteners have the same basic effect on the body as sugar? They trigger the same mechanisms as if you were ingesting sugar? So the only real benefit is in the actual calories of the various sweeteners?

It's a pretty interesting subject. Some people say that it could trigger the insulin to rise. Other say it wont trigger the insulin but it might raise the suger-cravings and make you eat a lot of crap.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

read this
http://www.gfy.com/showpost.php?p=16369569&postcount=19

Nice read Homie the clown.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Isn't it true that artificial sweeteners have the same basic effect on the body as sugar? They trigger the same mechanisms as if you were ingesting sugar? So the only real benefit is in the actual calories of the various sweeteners?

Supposedly they spike your insulin levels keeping you at an elevated state. Apparently insulin is the direct hormone associated with belly fat, or fat storage. I say "supposedly" because as you see in this thread. Opinions vary depending on who you read or cite while doing your research.

Most people do agree that being at an elevated Insulin state, 10x more than needed in fact, is bad for you. Which would explain why many get Diabetes. You burn out your body's Insulin production over time.

However, keep in mind there is no justice that will be done from a few paragraphs on a forum. There is simply too many opinions, and research on the subject to address all of the different points.

Dynamo has had some excellent results in his health focus, as has Homie the clown and Tony404. WarChild probably knows more about this shit than anyone if you do a look up on his previous posts on health. He definitely knows his stuff in the health and fitness category.

dyna mo · 01-31-2011, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Supposedly they spike your insulin levels keeping you at an elevated state. Apparently insulin is the direct hormone associated with belly fat, or fat storage. I say "supposedly" because as you see in this thread. Opinions vary depending on who you read or cite while doing your research.

Most people do agree that being at an elevated Insulin state, 10x more than needed in fact, is bad for you. Which would explain why many get Diabetes. You burn out your body's Insulin production over time.

However, keep in mind there is no justice that will be done from a few paragraphs on a forum. There is simply too many opinions, and research on the subject to address all of the different points.

Dynamo has had some excellent results in his health focus, as has Homie the clown and Tony404. WarChild probably knows more about this shit than anyone if you do a look up on his previous posts on health. He definitely knows his stuff in the health and fitness category.

being able to check my blood sugars whenever i wish, i can say that for me, there is no insulin reaction to artificial sweeteners. i've checked this out specifically for years and years now.

bronco67 · 01-31-2011, 12:21 PM

Sugar is your main enemy, when trying to lose weight.

That's how the "low-fat" BS tricks people. They make something low-fat, but put 20 grams of sugar in it.

I don't even know if its possible to avoid 15g or sugar per day.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

being able to check my blood sugars whenever i wish, i can say that for me, there is no insulin reaction to artificial sweeteners. i've checked this out specifically for years and years now.

Based on your one health post a few months back, I figured you or WarChild would chime in accordingly. You guys seem to have years of this stuff under your belt. Thanks for the share.

Barefootsies · 01-31-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't even know if its possible to avoid 15g or sugar per day.

The 15g sugar, 6g carbs would be very hard to do. Unless you already are like lazycash.

lazycash · 01-31-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

being able to check my blood sugars whenever i wish, i can say that for me, there is no insulin reaction to artificial sweeteners. i've checked this out specifically for years and years now.

The main problem with artificial sweeteners (Mainly Splenda) in the studies I've seen is that they reduce the amount of good bacteria in the gut. Stevia seems to be the only one without issues.

Tom_PM · 01-31-2011, 02:10 PM

Ah hell, I should get off Splenda now too then. I buy the stuff in those 400 packet boxes to save some money. Use it all day in coffee it seems.

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