Acepimp

Thommy, Democrat Cory Booker Leads Wall Street Dems Vote to Keep Drug Prices High

But I was referring to the Mexican drug cartels who murder people and are involved in drug trafficking, and also human trafficking and weapons trafficking. An open border makes it easy for them. True or false?

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Bladewire

Obama sent the troops right before the caravan arrived

Trump is sending them a month early purely for political purposes.

A complete waste of resources.

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OneHungLo

What do you like more...your high crime rate or diversity?

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Paul Markham

The problem of illegal migration goes further than the US.

So old Americans get no assistance from the US government.

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Paul Markham

A real problem in America are prescription drugs. Two articles to compare.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org...on-statistics/

https://talbottcampus.com/prescripti...se-statistics/

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Paul Markham

Allow this lot in and far more will come.

Were you against Obama trying to build up border security or just Trump doing it?

By implying he's doing it to get votes, implies that more people want it done than don't.

Make a financial case for the benefits of allowing 100,000 illegal migrants into the US. Then maybe we can discuss how much of a waste of money it is.

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NewNick

So were you not a single male of working age when you migrated Paul ?

Remind us again why you did that ?

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What are they doing, barbed wiring the entire southern border? I may as well try to stop a swarm of locust from entering a football stadium by waving my arms around on the 50 yard line.

This is all a show for mouthbreather voters to check Republican on Tuesday.

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pimpmaster9000

good ole USA, its gangster army is all over the world, enforcing the protection racket but the USA does not want to let people run away form its foreign policy and expects them to live in tent cities in the desert so that the good ole USA can keep dropping bombs on what is left of their country...

meanwhile low skill USIS invaders are doing actual acts of terrorism all over the world but this, somehow, does not count

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crockett

Reagan had Alzheimer's while in office, his mind was going so good comparison, they are/were both mentally ill.

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thommy

finally something we both can agree on

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Paul, let´s see it for a moment like this:

assuming my country would exploit the czech republic. we would not only destroy the economy but also blow so much poison into the environment that the czech republic would become a sahara. we would support every corrupt regime in czech that declares to czech citizens that there are people in czech who are responsible for it and have to be eliminated.

we would sell CZ the weapons with which they could then exterminate these elements and not even want money for it but accept bonds.

if the situation have reached point were you and your family couldn't live there anymore and you wanted to get out of the country - let's say to us - then we'd show you the stinky finger and send you back to the shithole we made out of your country.

we would declare you an enemy of the state and tell you every day how much money you still owe us for the weapons.

how long do you think it would take for you and your family to become terrorists to cut our heads off whenever you have the opportunity?

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Paul Markham

I didn't apply for asylum.

I moved because I met Eva a Czech national, the UK made it very hard for me to work there with constant laws passed so they could close businesses like mine down. Something they are still trying to do. Czech girls are prettier than English girls, more fun to work withand paying them what I paid in London impressed them.

I also prefer Czech to the UK. So applied for citizenship, a license to open a company here and we made our marriage legal in Czech. We moved across before Czech joined the EU.

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What do you suggest they do to stop them coming in?

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Matt-ADX

You live in Quebec one of the least diverse places in Canada. Arguably the most racist province as well. Not that you are a racist or support it. I just don't think you should front like you live in a melting pot. Also aren't you not even in the city of Montreal? Come on you aren't wrong about some of the rhetoric being spouted here but you aren't being honest either about where you live.

Rochard

Yes. Do you know what the troops did? They shoveled horse shit. No kidding.

We should not be sending troops to the border when they can't do anything.

The photos of the barbed wire are comical. In a defensive situation where someone is manning a machine gun nest behind it, it works great. But to put the barbed wire on the ground and then just walk away does nothing.

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Paul Markham

What do you suggest they do to stop people walking across the borders en mass?

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bronco67

Stop getting your information from Fox News.

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dyna mo

run for your life, women and children are coming!

sarettah

Do you still beat your wife?

Yes, Kansas City has a higher crime rate then any of us would like. Not much I can do about that except attempt to remain active in neighborhood improvement when I can.

My particular neighborhood does not have a high crime rate. There have not been any murders in the past 18 years that I know of. We do not see the Police around very often. I know of 2 break ins in the past 18 years that I am aware of.

Most of the Gang stuff is West and South of here and generally speaking involves gang shit, so just like other Urban areas with those issues, it does not often spill over very much.

I enjoy a diverse group of people.

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For those that do not follow Bloom County, Opus is holding the new and improved RONCO Turnip Twaddler.

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OneHungLo

According to this you get a big F in the crime rate department. There's more than a few B&Es where you live.

But I can respect that. If you're happy where you are who am I to say anything? But one of the top priorities where I choose live is to have a low crime rate. It's probably #1. And having a low crime rate = lack of diversity.

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Bladewire

Hiya there Diomed

directfiesta

You know nothing about Quebec ...

... and you calling a region racist ... is priceless ....

You ARE the MOST racist poster on this board

Matt-ADX

Born and raised and lived here 35 years, so yes I know Quebec. Calling me racist? what did I even post that is racist? Maybe you love Quebec and are free to defend it, but outside of Montreal and a couple other larger cities, in the regions people are not very tolerant at all. To say that they are not bigoted and protective of language and culture is an outright lie.

I can understand what their motivation is, while I don't agree with it, Quebec is the least tolerant province. Anyone who has lived here even a small amount of time have heard and witnessed French on English or English on French attacks.

FFS look at the recent overwhelming win in the Provincial election.

OneHungLo

There's never a valid point to make it's just - YOU ARE A RACIST. YOU ARE A WHITE SUPREMACIST. YOU ARE A NAZI. It's comical.

sarettah

I gave you the geography stuff already.

I am not in Raytown. I am near Raytown but not in it. Raytown has it's own issues.

Yes, there is crime around me, and as I said, I do what I can to help when I can.

I do not abandon a city and friends that I have grown very fond of because of the actions of some idiots.

You are up near Boston, right? Boston proper? or suburb. And yes, I know that the Boston area has a much lower crime rate than KC.


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Bladewire

Notice how it drives on and on and on?

His mentality is very narrow

He thinks if you lived around blacks you would hate them, or see them as inferior, because that's what he thinks.

So he keeps finding excuse after excuse, and raising the bar, saying that you haven't lived near the right kind of blacks yet to come to the same touch when he does.

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Paul Markham

If this caravan gets through there will be more. To add to the 11 million you have now costing you $112bn a year.

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Matt-ADX

when if finally gets to the border it will be a few hundred and most will go to a port like usual and apply for asylum. Some get in and others don't and we all keep it moving. This is as big a threat as it was last year when the same BS happened in the news.

_Richard_

you know illegal immigrants tax revenues within the US far exceed the services they use right? It's in the third paragraph, right before it discusses the lower prices the immigrants bring to whatever industry they happen to be working in, you can read it here with it's 3 different cited sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...nite d_States

what is the purpose of spreading false information about a matter thousands of kilometers from you about people you have never met regarding a country you have nothing to do with

Paul Markham

If this caravan gets through and is allowed in. There will be a constant stream following them.

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Paul Markham

I read those parts, ie.

What would happen if employers couldn't find illegal migrants to employ? Would they be forced to pay a higher wage, would they go out of business and a business paying better would take over the demand?

How many illegals send money home?

Low wages and high real unemployment cause a huge burden on a country. People have less to spend, pay less in taxes and raise demands for welfare payments.

I have close family living in California, my parents lived there and dealt first hand with illegals.

Also mass migration is a problem for the West not confined to the US.

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Bladewire

Obama sent troops to the border to confront a bigger caravan a few years back.

14 people were arrested

The rest were processed, which is what they came here to do, just like this caravan. They've been coming to America like that 2-3 times a year for over a decade.

This is nothing new for us here in California. But since Trump is making such a big deal about this Caravan, for political reasons, a lot of people are afraid of something that they didn't know existed.

pimpmaster9000

how much businesses would go under if they were forced to employ expensive labor? how much legal workers would be out of business, how much of a burden would this be on a country?

it works 2 ways paul you can not constantly cherry pick consequences...

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I know 75% of trump support base never finished high school, so let me give you little lesson in geography son. You see that little flag on cop's shoulder. Ye, the one with 2 blue and one white stripe. Thats not Mexican flag. Its either Honduras, Nicaragua or El salvador.
Thank me later.

sarettah

None of those are from the current migrant caravan. Yet again, don't let facts get in your way of a good propoganda job.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/me...aravan-photos/

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_Richard_

if they had no undocumented workers to employ their economy would collapse.

if they generate more tax revenue than the services they consume, lower prices across industries, and are a fundamental component of the economy, it doesn't matter how much money they send home - furthermore sending USD makes the world that much more reliant on the USD as a reserve currency, something under serious attack.

to blame immigrants for low wages is frankly insane with relation to this conversation.. you discuss taxes and freeloaders while a series of corporations with positive tax rates and a series of tax havens across the planet buy and sell politicians at whim while we demonize children and their parents trying to escape realities created by our very own 'western governments'

want these people to stay home? stop killing their leaders

Rochard

I have no idea where you get your facts from, but you have zero understanding of what is really happening here. We don't have people walking across the border "en mass". That kind of shit only happens on TV. This caravan that is heading towards the US is not going to crash the border and run across. They are going to walk up to a point of entry, stand in line at the customs office, fill out a form, and request asylum. All of the barbed wire in the world isn't going to stop this.

They don't even know what state this US caravan is going to arrive at.

The ONLY reason this is being done is a political stunt by the President. Period. They can't even arrest someone.

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thommy

don´t even try to explain paul how a world economy is working.
this is called "the hopeless level"

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thommy

nope - they can outsource the production to china or india. and all of them will work legal there. but none of them will even buy a hot dog in US.

Mexico is currently our 3rd largest goods trading partner with $557.6 billion in total (two way) goods trade during 2017. Goods exports totaled $243.3 billion.

Where do you think they got this money from ?
Printed it?

1. US have actually one of the lowest unemployment rates in the world. even european economies what doing 100 times better than the US facing higher unemployment rates.
what is it that they are doing better?

2. Higher wages makes products more expensive. It does not produce prosperity if you give people more money when prices are increasing.
apart of that the prices will not only become higher for the "illegals" they will become also higher for the "legals".
What you are announcing will take prosperity away from people and nothing else.

If they taught you what you think you know, I don't want to hear their "explanation of the world formula".

i'm sorry - i don't see a single country in the west with high immigration rates that has a growth problem because of it. the opposite is the case. countries with high immigration rates have a higher and faster growth rate.

UK, for example, can no longer guarantee care for the elderly or pay for it WITHOUT getting the strength from low-wage countries. soon it will be time for the englishmen to start changing the shitty diapers of their elderly themselves - a dream job - i'm sure that pretty much every british person will beg to do this job.

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dyna mo

MArkham, this is America, we have an obligation to try and help people asking us for help. These people are coming here and asking for help. Plenty of US Americans have no problem helping them out of their misery.

not everything is about how much immigrants can contribute to the economy.

thommy

100% correct ! and exactly THIS is what the founding fathers wanted.
they had in mind that america should be an bright example to do things bigger and better.

they have seen all the conflicts in the old world and wanted to show them better alternatives.

if we can get back to this purpose I am with you ! and not only me - the whole world would be with you.

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Paul Markham

So these caravans are a constant threat.

Why do you think Trump is making a political point out of it? Could it be that people will vote for him? Welcome to democracy.

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Paul Markham

The economy of one company doesn't determine the economy of a country.

Are you adding the services the real unemployed need to the services of illegal migrants?

You blame corporations for buying politicians and think they have nothing to do with the present stand on illegal migration.

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I think Trump is telling them to go to a port of entry and apply for asylum.

I agree barbed wire isn't enough, a wall properly policed would be much better.

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