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movieguy · 06-22-2020, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I know the media isn't reporting this. But it's fact.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

Have you looked at hospitalization rates? That's the one that scares me more. Death rates don't give you a sense of how bad you can feel. I have two acquaintances who said they felt like dying during their infection and were close to going to the hospital. Young, healthy guys.

Here in Canada, my age group has a 0.9% death rate due to COVID, but a 15% rate of hospitalization. Among my culture, we don't look at the numbers to say, "you only have a 0.9% chance of dying", but we say, "you have a 15% chance of being close to death".

I don't want a 15% chance of being on a ventilator, or like my friend who survived, but said he felt like he was drowning with every breath for 2 weeks.

juicydiva · 06-22-2020, 06:31 AM

I hate wearing mask, I don't care if I would be kicked out of this life by whoever. Just wearing it so that my co-existors wouldn't get sick just because of my recklessness.

Dead · 06-22-2020, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy

Great video!

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Amigo is a fantastic artist!

Again, I fully agree with you in the end.Let this bitch play out just like every other threat. We can not allow the economy to fall because of potential risks?No one benefits.

Matyko · 06-22-2020, 07:28 AM

juicydiva · 06-22-2020, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Couldn't agree more. Just like Tremelose mentioned in their song...people follow cheap things like sheep.

MaDalton · 06-22-2020, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

ahhh jeeez, please don't tell me you also crossed over to the conspiracy lunatics - you used to be such a nice guy

The Porn Nerd · 06-22-2020, 08:48 AM

Everyone trying to figure out the numbers like they are betting on roulette in Las Vegas. The chances are so small! Blah blah blah.

People thinking this way only do so to alleviate their fears and make themselves feel better and special. But the coronavirus does not 'target' certain people, it targets EVERYONE. But continue to look at the data and try to figure out your odds of getting it and then roll the dice. Fuck anyone else but yourself, right?

THIS is why this world is so fucked up.

The Porn Nerd · 06-22-2020, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

You didn't really address what I wrote.

Sorry, let me address this:

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Originally Posted by mopek1

There are 1000s of harmful things in our world and 1000s of things we can do that would reduce those harmful things by 1%, yet we don't do them. Decrease driving accidents, cleaner environment, better eating (which will save our health and the health system), reducing suicide, concussion protocols, possibility of war etc... I could go on. We don't take actions that would reduce those likelihoods by 1% so why do it for Corona? How would we even start to rank what's the most harmful thing for us and then decide to take action to reduce that by 1%?

It would take too much time and too many resources and we as humans just don't do that for good and bad reasons. We live with risk and we go about our day as best we can, moving forward making things better a bit at a time. There are far more dangerous things to worry about out there than Corona.

BTW, the lockdown is said to have increased tuberculosis in the world by 5 million cases over the next few years and 1.4 million deaths. That's just one adverse affect of the lockdown. 1.4 million deaths ... now you ask me about people who are so utterly stupid ... again, it's not that they are stupid, it's that this issue is now politicized and that's one more reason why (on top of my rationale above and belief they are generally not needed) I don't wear a mask.

Basically your argument is that there are lots of things that can kill us so why bother taking extra precautions for Covid-19, is that about right?

Well those things that can kill us are KNOWN causes of death and we, as clear-thinking free humans, can decide how to deal with those possibilities. But with coronavirus? We simply DO NOT KNOW the extent of this disease, its' long-term affects and whether or not you get immunity from it once you have it. This is so new the data is still flowing in.

So what to do? Look at all the other ways you could get sick and die and treat Covid-19 as the same? That would be a huge mistake (one many people are currently making). This virus spreads faster than other diseases, there is no cure or vaccine, we do not know the long-term affects of the disease, there is a second wave coming....

Just wear a fucking mask for a few months people PLEASE. It will not be forever.

klinton · 06-22-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

ahhh jeeez, please don't tell me you also crossed over to the conspiracy lunatics - you used to be such a nice guy

I'm sorry, but it's you who "crossed over" to mindless sheep. Almost.

But hey, don't worry. It's difficult to beat posters like 2MuchMark in this category.

klinton · 06-22-2020, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Everyone trying to figure out the numbers like they are betting on roulette in Las Vegas. The chances are so small! Blah blah blah.

People thinking this way only do so to alleviate their fears and make themselves feel better and special. But the coronavirus does not 'target' certain people, it targets EVERYONE. But continue to look at the data and try to figure out your odds of getting it and then roll the dice. Fuck anyone else but yourself, right?

THIS is why this world is so fucked up.

every time I cross street in the country where I am now, I have like similar chance (or bigger) of dying as I would have after contracting cov2 or flu virus.
Yet, I do it every day, multiple times.
wonder why, maybe its better to stay home for life and suck on government's titty and be a pussy/ sheep.

celandina · 06-22-2020, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Here I go again !! For fuck sake argue with this :

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Here is the simple math and what are you missing logic !

Double layered cloth mask is about 60 % effective while exhaling and about 40% effective while inhaling.

Now look at a viral load of a factor 100 in a person next to you who has a mask:

His viral load while exhaling in your direction is reduced to 40.

Now if you are wearing a mask you may inhale only 40% of the load from a factor 40 which is factor 16 of the initial load.

So simple stated, if both are wearing a mask, the risk of transmission is reduced 5x or more.

You simply cannot argue with math

Tasty1 · 06-22-2020, 10:48 AM

Many people who wear mouth masks experience a negative effect on health

In a four-part series, immunologist Dr Carla Peeters, who worked at RIVM (dutch government organisation that advice government about corona measures) for several years, provides all the ins and outs about the face mask required by the government in certain situations. This week part II: the use of mouth masks is not nearly as harmless as thought and can even have negative effects on health.

This week, Rover (traveler's association) and Elke (in) (the umbrella organization for people with a physical disability, intellectual disability or chronic illness) asked the responsible ministries to offer people who cannot wear a mask for medical reasons to an alternative to choose. Rover receives signals that many travelers experience wearing a mouth mask as oppressive and bad. Professionals in contact professions and customers also experience discomfort. Not so strange, it turns out when we investigate this further.

Wearing a mouth mask; a new microclimate

Being able to breathe clean air freely is important for maintaining good health. That is why it is important to analyze the effects of the microclimate that is created inside and on the mask. By wearing mouth masks, the temperature increases and the humidity changes. The psychological effect of wearing a mouth mask alone can cause a change in the way of breathing. Depending on the type of mask / mouth mask, the wearer experiences more resistance in breathing and problems may arise to inhale sufficient O2. When a shortage of O2 is experienced, the activity of the sympathetic nervous system (flight-fight reaction) increases. The heartbeat gets faster; a risk of feeling unwell or tired and even passing out. Headaches, skin reactions and itching from wearing masks have also been described. Experienced discomfort leads to more stress, resulting in a vicious circle. When a mask is worn for a long period of time, the oxygen level in the blood may decrease and the CO2 level may increase. This can increase inflammation and weaken immunity to external factors. More energy is needed to keep the existing inflammations under control. Also, the concentration of bacteria and viruses in the mask and nasal and pharynx can increase by exhaling and breathing in the same air again.

Toxic substances from dyes or bleaches and / or dust particles from the substances used for the mouth caps can increase in the microclimate and thus end up in the lungs.

Uncontrolled production of mouth masks increases negative influences

The production of hip masks has become a rapidly growing market for the fashion industry. The advertising industry has received a new file. To date, there are no strict quality requirements for the mouth masks, which means that everything is possible. Even for medical masks that do have quality requirements, the high demand has created a true Wild West market. Whether it be design mouth masks or homemade mouth masks made from unapproved fabrics, it demands alertness for possible adverse health consequences. Toxic substances from dyes or bleaches and / or dust particles from the substances used for the mouth caps can increase in the microclimate and thus end up in the lungs. Any damage to lung epithelial cells, the first barrier to prevent infection, can make the body more susceptible to bacterial and viral infections.

Possible connection air pollution and course COVID-19

Scientific studies have shown the possible adverse effects of air pollution on the immune system. At the same time, impurities may increase the expression of the number of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) receptors. This means that more receptors are available for the virus to bind to, allowing for a more severe course of COVID-19. A recent Harvard University study is the first to show a statistically significant association between the severity of COVID-19 course and the degree of air pollution.

The spread of the virus may increase due to the unsafe use of mouth masks.

Use face masks to increase the spread of the virus

Research published in the British Medical Journal in 2015, in which 3M participated, showed a higher concentration of the virus in people who used mouth masks compared to people who did not wear a mask / medical mask. Most people do not have enough knowledge to use the mask properly, such as renewing frequently, washing hands frequently, removing and disposing of safely. The spread of the virus may increase due to the unsafe use of mouth masks. Scientific research into the effect of the use of surgical masks showed a higher concentration of viruses and bacteria on the outside of the mask.

https://www.hpdetijd.nl/2020-06-19/v...de-gezondheid/

Tasty1 · 06-22-2020, 10:57 AM

The question of whether mouth masks is the solution to reduce the spread of the virus is a topic of concern for many. Scientific support, as Prime Minister Mark Rutte put it, is wafer-thin. Until June 1, wearing mouth masks was not yet mandatory. Since the end of April and also after the relaxation of the intelligent lockdown, we have seen a steady decline in the number of infections.

On 4 June, professor Jaap van Dissel of RIVM presented the figures for COVID-19 in the Netherlands; 98 percent of people who get the coronavirus have few complaints. One and a half percent must be admitted to hospital and 0.4 percent end up in intensive care. Currently, the number of people in intensive care is less than 100 and there are approximately 2000 infections. Since the end of April, the number of people who visit the GP with flu symptoms has been lower than the limit in the event of an epidemic. The virus is manageable and will die out. Of the 57,630 corona tests performed by the GGD last week, the virus was detected in only 2.1% of people with complaints. The results are increasingly negative.

98 percent of people who get the coronavirus have few complaints.

In total, 48,087 persons tested positive for COVID-19 in a population of 17.4 million. The number of people who have had an infection may be higher because in the early days not everyone with symptoms could be tested for the presence of the virus. 6,042 people have since died of the virus. 50% are over 83 years of age and 70% have underlying suffering. Both in Belgium and in the Netherlands it appears that about 80% of people with COVID-19 in intensive care are seriously overweight. Compared to 2015, fewer people died during the annual flu season this year. Also, no more people have died worldwide than in previous years during the flu season. This includes the number of COVID-19 deaths.

Policy changes of mouth masks

For the time being, RIVM advises that wearing mouth masks has no effect on the spread of COVID-19 and that there is insufficient scientific evidence. An important argument is the permeability of the mouth caps. A virus particle is about 80 - 150 nanometers in diameter. This is too small to be blocked by the dust (s) of the mask. Until recently, WHO also believed that it is not necessary for healthy people to wear a mask. On 5 June, the WHO issued an adapted opinion for countries with virus spread. In the new message, the WHO recommends that healthy people should also use masks or medical masks in places where keeping a distance of 1.5 meters is difficult, such as in public transport, shops and in a busy environment.

Effectiveness not demonstrated

Based on some recent studies of wearing face masks in families with a person with COVID-19, WHO indirectly concludes that wearing a mouth mask / mask may help protect against infection.

The conclusion in the WHO document 'Advice on the use of masks in the context of COVID-19 interim guidance 5 June 2020', which was compiled on the basis of scientific literature and interviews with experts, reads: “At present, scientific do not investigate direct evidence that wearing mouth masks is effective in reducing the spread of viruses that cause upper respiratory tract infections, including for the SARS-COV-2 virus. ”

At present, there is no direct evidence from scientific research that wearing mouth masks is effective in reducing the spread of the coronavirus

WHO
A 2012 review in the journal Respiratory Virus, which examined seventeen studies looking at the effect of mouth and medical mask wearing on the spread of influenza virus, concludes that there is no protective effect. Data from such studies for SARS-COV-2 are unknown.

https://www.hpdetijd.nl/2020-06-12/a...jde-mondkapje/

MaDalton · 06-22-2020, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by klinton

I'm sorry, but it's you who "crossed over" to mindless sheep. Almost.

But hey, don't worry. It's difficult to beat posters like 2MuchMark in this category.

no worries about that

but as later in this thread pointed out: the use of masks is not to protect you from infection in case you get exposed to someone sick coughing right in your face

but that "meme" implies that masks are supposed to protect you - this is incorrect

I worked as a healthcare worker ages ago, i worked in the medical industry, half of my friends are doctors, i even gave lectures on hygiene in dental practices.

I am far from knowing everything but there is actually some stuff I know

MaDalton · 06-22-2020, 02:36 PM

and about the other shit posted:

Doctors and nurses fucking wear masks every fucking day througout their whole career - I rest in my case.

ruff · 06-22-2020, 03:22 PM

Everyone who thinks the earth is flat please raise your hand.

The Porn Nerd · 06-22-2020, 06:51 PM

The ONLY fact ass hats who think wearing a mask is a waste, some government conspiracy, etc should focus on is this:

Front line workers who directly interact with Covid-19 patients on a daily basis (nurses, doctors, etc) have a LOWER rate of infection than the average population. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE you ask??

Because wearing masks WORKS.

klinton · 06-22-2020, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Doctors and nurses fucking wear masks every fucking day througout their whole career - I rest in my case.

for how long per day ?

do they also cycle and jog while wearing masks, like some governments would like them to do?

mce · 06-22-2020, 07:49 PM

Yes, I wear a face mask when I go out.

I also spray disinfectant on the soles of my shoes when I come home.

Look Chang · 06-22-2020, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mce

Yes, I wear a face mask when I go out.

I also spray disinfectant on the soles of my shoes when I come home.

Common sense

Tasty1 · 06-22-2020, 11:26 PM

If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.
If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.

_Richard_ · 06-23-2020, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

for how long per day ?

do they also cycle and jog while wearing masks, like some governments would like them to do?

they work 12+ hour days in a hospital

i am not sure cycling or jogging compares

Matyko · 06-23-2020, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

ahhh jeeez, please don't tell me you also crossed over to the conspiracy lunatics - you used to be such a nice guy

No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there. I am a 40ish healthy guy and I dislike I am being controlled / frightened by this shit. In my eyes this is a media hype and politicians jumped on the train too.

Look at this:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ic/3094481001/

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions. Ridiculous!! Only time will tell. The article I posted is valid because it collects/shows favts from a similar shit in 1968.
Covid data and assumptions will be valid at least a few years later.

I admit that I am very unhappy with the festival season getting canceled.. This is why I am angry and upset and think everyone can eat my cock raw

In my 'state' 513k ppl are living currently. There were 24 cases since day 0 of covid here. 24 registered infections. In my 100k city I know no one who got it. Gov media said that the huge number of infections / escalation is Right Here, Can Happen Any Moment!!! - every fucking day Hard to believe in this. I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

REMEMBER 'NATURAL BORN KILLERS' !!!!!!!!!

PS: I know this meme is not properly valid. Step through the details and try to understand it's message in general.

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.
If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.

Nice approach, I like it.

just a punk · 06-23-2020, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

If you smell it with that mouthmask on, it doesn't work.

How dumb was the person who did this statement. Smell is a gas. The airborne infection is a steam (water in the air). Isn't it stupid to compare the size of water drops and molecules of gas? You will always feel the smell of hydrogen sulfide because you can birth (hint: molecules of oxygen also able to go through your mask).

When you wear a mask, your eves are the most vulnerable part of your body.

Tasty1 · 06-23-2020, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

How dumb was the person who did this statement. Smell is a gas. The airborne infection is a steam (water in the air). Isn't it stupid to compare the size of water drops and molecules of gas? You will always feel the smell of hydrogen sulfide because you can birth (hint: molecules of oxygen also able to go through your mask).

When you wear a mask, your eves are the most vulnerable part of your body.

It are aerosols that spread the virus, not (only) water drops, that are able to spread 20 meter. but people keep saying we must keep 1,5 meter distance to be safe.. While there are couples where one is infected while the other sleeps next to the covid partner.

There is still a lot to investigate, bt for sure this isn't the pandemic scientist predicted. There are 6000 people dead in Holland, the last flu costed 11.000 death. So next flu season everybody stays inside, wear a mask and shut down the economy?

MaDalton · 06-23-2020, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

for how long per day ?

do they also cycle and jog while wearing masks, like some governments would like them to do?

seriously? do you know how long operations can take sometimes? and that they are actual physical work?

and who forces you to wear a mask 12 hours a day?

i think the main side effect from Covid is that it exposes peoples stupidity

MaDalton · 06-23-2020, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there. I am a 40ish healthy guy and I dislike I am being controlled / frightened by this shit. In my eyes this is a media hype and politicians jumped on the train too.

Look at this:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ic/3094481001/

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions. Ridiculous!! Only time will tell. The article I posted is valid because it collects/shows favts from a similar shit in 1968.
Covid data and assumptions will be valid at least a few years later.

I admit that I am very unhappy with the festival season getting canceled.. This is why I am angry and upset and think everyone can eat my cock raw

In my 'state' 513k ppl are living currently. There were 24 cases since day 0 of covid here. 24 registered infections. In my 100k city I know no one who got it. Gov media said that the huge number of infections / escalation is Right Here, Can Happen Any Moment!!! - every fucking day Hard to believe in this. I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

REMEMBER 'NATURAL BORN KILLERS' !!!!!!!!!

PS: I know this meme is not properly valid. Step through the details and try to understand it's message in general.

Nice approach, I like it.

so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?

what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.

you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

NatalieK · 06-23-2020, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Here is the simple math and what are you missing logic !

Double layered cloth mask is about 60 % effective while exhaling and about 40% effective while inhaling.

Now look at a viral load of a factor 100 in a person next to you who has a mask:

His viral load while exhaling in your direction is reduced to 40.

Now if you are wearing a mask you may inhale only 40% of the load from a factor 40 which is factor 16 of the initial load.

So simple stated, if both are wearing a mask, the risk of transmission is reduced 5x or more.

this...

we always go out wearing our masks, the sun´s hot and we´re enjoying a beer down the local bars, paella, swimming in the sea, but the mask is always present, as is hand sanitizer in every store, bar, restaurant, toilet or street corner

CaptainHowdy · 06-23-2020, 07:24 AM

juicydiva · 06-23-2020, 07:30 AM

I always dreamed to walk around my neighborhood without letting anyone know it is me. Now this situation and with a bullet proof mask made it real. Yeppeee

ruff · 06-23-2020, 08:02 AM

Don't read the news about the virus today. It's not going to reinforce any arguments for not wearing a mask. Record infections everywhere now. Welcome to Darwin's world. Some will make it, and some won't. Mostly the stupid ones won't make it. It's kind of hard to gin up any concern for the flat-earthers. Of course, it's possible you won't get the virus with your head stuck up your ass.

Matyko · 06-23-2020, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?

what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.

you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

Yes, this might seem stupid, but right now I am quite upset because of this certain festival being canceled. I can't stand any in-door events, there is only One Event I am Interested in For Years. This is not a regular festival, but I won't rob anyone's time to talk about this. I simply need this time to be here with these tribal people and dance for a week.

My parents live in the capital city and they are using masks [which I do too, as it is still mandatory in shops - and me, as a skeptic asshole I use the masks properly while most ppl put the mask below their noses, so it is totally useless]. My wife's father, who lives next to us did not take this too seriously..

The lockdown should be applied to ppl who are endangered, not all ppl.
This is just my opinion, and I do realize that there are 1000 versions of reality, so I am not saying I am the smartest in this topic.

I see your point in your last paragraph. I am not saying that the virus does not exist. I am saying that it is overhyped. By the forces of media and politicians combined.

Have you checked that usatoday article I linked above about the Woodstock festival with 400k ppl and H3N2 in 1968????

I'd be OK with wearing mask and/or anything for years in the shops, etc, but I see no point in killing the (summer) gatherings. Look, a few days ago our gov let soccer matches happen with crowd/unlimited number of supporters there in the stadiums. I was watching the first 15 minutes on TV just to shock myself: the entire thing was 1:1 in a soccer game happening 6-9-12 months ago. No sign, I repeat NO SIGN of any virus, masks, anything. Everything, all the handshakes and shit was the same as in "normal times". Now fuck this! Fuck this bullshit that this can happen, but I can't gather with 25k hippies in a huge open-air land... This is fucking insane+annoying!

((

...sigh...

Despite the hard feelings this topic does to me, I'd like to state that I am a huge fan of yours and Do Respect your opinion [on all possible topics actually] and give your words significant weight.

So please don't get offended and try to understand me.

Tasty1 · 06-23-2020, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

so at the end it's about you not being able to go to festivals?

your or your wifes parents still alive?

you do realize that even if you feel young and healthy you can still infect and subsequently kill them?

what baffles me the most is that in countries with a low infection rate people don't credit that to the fact that lockdowns, mask wearing and social distancing were introduced - but rather turn into conspiracy lunatics and claim the virus doesn't exist.

you only need to look at countries who called it a hoax and look at their numbers now

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

You are talking a lot of bullshit, trying to give people a feeling of quilt. My parents are alive and in the risk group. They stay home and stay away from large groups and have mouthmask when needed. My sister sometimes visit outside in the garden with 3 meter distance (my father probably dies when he gets corona, he got big health issues after a hepatitis vaccination... so he will never take a corona vaccin) So he takes care for himself, no need for a lockdown. His brain is working fine. And for sure he will never get to an elderly home, where most elderly that should have been protected with a lockdown, died. The appointments my father had with doctors where cancelled 3 months cause everything was aimed at corona, luckily he didn't have big problems in those 3 months. No need to put everybody in lockdown to protect the elderly and sick. As we can see now the corona comes, and goes.

Never is proven that 1,5 meter works. What is proven is that elderly and nursing homes wheren't save, locking up the elderly didn't work out well in most cases.

Brazil was and is in lockdowns. Mayors can do that themselves and did, without Bolsonaro. I have a friend and now corona is coming to his city in Brazil. But the lockdown stopped cause people didn't have any money left to stick it out another 2 months. They have the choice, starve from hunger in lockdown, or make money. He rents out houses and many people couldn't pay the rent. Same with a friend that is a taxi driver, no work, no money. That is a reason why things opened up. I will go to Brazil and my biggest worries are the crime stats that might rise like never before. A friend of mine was lucky the lockdown stopped cause she needed cancer treatment, which was also delayed 2 months due to lockdowns. Many people will end up in poverty again in Brazil cause the economy is down and probably sill be down for years to come. Many people also working from home. But yes, Bolsoaro could have given some more tips how people could be safe. But most agree, the lockdown of the economy will cost more lives than corona.

In Holland 2 newspapers now admitted that the government instructed them not to be to critical on the government scientist. Fear had to be spread so people listened to the government. That is why they published the death rate in chocolate letters on the front page and didn't allow other scientist a stage in the newspapers or talkshows. That also opened some peoples eyes how corrupt the media has become. The last years the media has just become like in the USA, an outlet for political parties when it comes to the EU, Trump, Global Warming. That is no conspiracy, that is what happening.

Still more deaths of the flu (11.000) than of corona (6000) in Holland (higher numbers than Brazil per million). While the last flu there was also shortage on intensive care they didn't solve. Some years ago there where 2500 intensive care units, but to save money they brought it back to 1000. An empty bed only costs money (till you suddenly need them).

India, where i am now, also opened up while Corona stats are rising. Also for the simple reason, people start dying from hunger. Better to save and protect the elderly than put the whole country in Lockdown. For me the economy can go in lockdown for years and i still able to eat. But a little selfish to do that, isn't it?

But someday you might wake up also.

CurrentlySober · 06-23-2020, 11:03 AM

CurrentlySober · 06-23-2020, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

If i fart, the smell just goes trough my jeans.
And you smell it in the whole room if it is a good one.

fap fap fap... keep going... I'm almost on the vinegar stroke...

SekobA · 06-23-2020, 12:41 PM

Most of the pool wear the same mask for a week or so

klinton · 06-23-2020, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

i think the main side effect from Covid is that it exposes peoples stupidity

indeed, this should be called "epidemic" of morona.

klinton · 06-23-2020, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton

Besides the US currently Brazil is the best example for that

oh yes, 50 K deaths in Brazil.
population of Brazil 200 mln people.
1 of every 4000 dead.
Probably, most of them are like 80 years old semi death already.
any virus/ infection can kill them if they are not careful.

seriously, this is a real Black Death

lets shut down the world because of this and ruin the lives of remaining 99.9 %

ruff · 06-23-2020, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

fap fap fap... keep going... I'm almost on the vinegar stroke...

I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

klinton · 06-23-2020, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tasty1

The appointments my father had with doctors where cancelled 3 months cause everything was aimed at corona, luckily he didn't have big problems in those 3 months.(...)

I have a friend and now corona is coming to his city in Brazil. But the lockdown stopped cause people didn't have any money left to stick it out another 2 months. They have the choice, starve from hunger in lockdown, or make money. He rents out houses and many people couldn't pay the rent. Same with a friend that is a taxi driver, no work, no money. That is a reason why things opened up. I will go to Brazil and my biggest worries are the crime stats that might rise like never before. A friend of mine was lucky the lockdown stopped cause she needed cancer treatment, which was also delayed 2 months due to lockdowns. Many people will end up in poverty again in Brazil cause the economy is down and probably sill be down for years to come.(..) But most agree, the lockdown of the economy will cost more lives than corona(...)

don't bother, people that can't count and have zero idea generally, will always be sheep.
which makes me wonder, wtf happened to the people???
is it a generation of brainless pussyficated sheep?
wtf!
i thought that some people have more common sense and can think for themselves...

The Porn Nerd · 06-23-2020, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

Vinegar and fapping? Sounds like a painful mix.

OneHungLo · 06-24-2020, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

Be careful posting this stuff. Anything that goes against leftist thinking puts a target on your back. And they will try to destroy you.

CaptainHowdy · 06-24-2020, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ruff

I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

mopek1 · 06-24-2020, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by movieguy

Have you looked at hospitalization rates? That's the one that scares me more. Death rates don't give you a sense of how bad you can feel. I have two acquaintances who said they felt like dying during their infection and were close to going to the hospital. Young, healthy guys.

Here in Canada, my age group has a 0.9% death rate due to COVID, but a 15% rate of hospitalization. Among my culture, we don't look at the numbers to say, "you only have a 0.9% chance of dying", but we say, "you have a 15% chance of being close to death".

I don't want a 15% chance of being on a ventilator, or like my friend who survived, but said he felt like he was drowning with every breath for 2 weeks.

I'm in Canada too. I look at the numbers every week.

You are wrong.

Most deaths have occurred in nursing homes. Most people tested were those with bad symptoms. The rest who were mild, moderate (and even bad in many cases) were not tested so the true rate of hospitalization, or anything for that matter can't be calculated and is much better than reported.

mopek1 · 06-24-2020, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

So what to do? Look at all the other ways you could get sick and die and treat Covid-19 as the same? That would be a huge mistake (one many people are currently making). This virus spreads faster than other diseases, there is no cure or vaccine, we do not know the long-term affects of the disease, there is a second wave coming....

Just wear a fucking mask for a few months people PLEASE. It will not be forever.

Even with Covid itself, there are likely 1000 things we can be doing to lower the risk but we aren't.

People think that by wearing masks they are doing their part. But these same people are NOT always choosing delivery when they need to buy something so they could stay home. They are going out to get things as we open up. If they really wanted to "do every little thing they could," they would stay home but they don't. Instead they wear a mask, feel morally superior to others and look down upon those who don't. People could also not visit their family, but they do. People could wipe down every surface they touch out in public, but they don't. People could donate their masks to hospitals who need it - especially in the beginning - but they don't. People could ... well, you get it. People are selective about what measures they take. The mask has become the far left's symbol of moral righteousness. Maybe it does help slow the spread a tad, I don't believe it does much at this point but there is FAR too much misinformation and CONTROL from the governments and the media that this has become such a farce and I will not participate anymore.

mopek1 · 06-24-2020, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Matyko

No, not really, I don't believe the conspiracy theories attached to this, but actually, I don't believe that there's anything surprisingly dangerous out there.

All the math, expectations, and so in 2020 regarding this covid-thing is 100% bullshit: theories, expectations, pro and contra 1000000 versions.

I am a super-skeptic dude who gives media and politicians less and less credit Every Single Day!

This.

All projections have been wrong.

Most of the media has been misleading and leaving out key pieces of information, both on the left and right.

Most governments are scared to open and yet scared not to. They are in a no win situation and just did what everyone else did (lockdown) so they wouldn't look bad.

Most of what people said would happen and most of what people are saying is just downright incorrect.

GAMEFINEST · 06-25-2020, 02:00 PM

Texas is getting influx of covid 19

CurrentlySober · 06-25-2020, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ruff

I have been fapping for many, many years, even when I didn't need to, but I have never heard of the vinegar stroke. You're going to have to explain that to me. I don't want to think I've been doing it wrong, or even worse, missed something important.

Common phrase in the UK...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...negar%20Stroke

just a punk · 06-25-2020, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

Common phrase in the UK...

https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...negar%20Stroke

I'd call it shit happens ;)

The Porn Nerd · 06-25-2020, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mopek1

Even with Covid itself, there are likely 1000 things we can be doing to lower the risk but we aren't.

People think that by wearing masks they are doing their part. But these same people are NOT always choosing delivery when they need to buy something so they could stay home. They are going out to get things as we open up. If they really wanted to "do every little thing they could," they would stay home but they don't. Instead they wear a mask, feel morally superior to others and look down upon those who don't. People could also not visit their family, but they do. People could wipe down every surface they touch out in public, but they don't. People could donate their masks to hospitals who need it - especially in the beginning - but they don't. People could ... well, you get it. People are selective about what measures they take. The mask has become the far left's symbol of moral righteousness. Maybe it does help slow the spread a tad, I don't believe it does much at this point but there is FAR too much misinformation and CONTROL from the governments and the media that this has become such a farce and I will not participate anymore.

Well the new daily highs in coronavirus cases US States are now experiencing is proof positive that many Americans are fucking idiots. Yes you ALSO have to social distance, wash your hands, clean surfaces, etc. But most Americans are spoiled, whiny, privileged children.

Masks don't work? Then why do doctors and nurses wear them in hospitals? Why are front line workers - the ones who come into contact with Covid-19 on a daily basis - getting coronavirus far less than average people? BECAUSE PPE WORKS. Anyone who doesn't believe this has allowed themselves to fall for the propaganda and gaslighting and has voluntarily thrown away their common sense. To those people I say: stay the fuck away from me and my family please!

06-22-2020, 07:28 AM	#104
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06-22-2020, 08:48 AM	#107
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06-22-2020, 10:48 AM	#112
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,387	Many people who wear mouth masks experience a negative effect on health In a four-part series, immunologist Dr Carla Peeters, who worked at RIVM (dutch government organisation that advice government about corona measures) for several years, provides all the ins and outs about the face mask required by the government in certain situations. This week part II: the use of mouth masks is not nearly as harmless as thought and can even have negative effects on health. This week, Rover (traveler's association) and Elke (in) (the umbrella organization for people with a physical disability, intellectual disability or chronic illness) asked the responsible ministries to offer people who cannot wear a mask for medical reasons to an alternative to choose. Rover receives signals that many travelers experience wearing a mouth mask as oppressive and bad. Professionals in contact professions and customers also experience discomfort. Not so strange, it turns out when we investigate this further. Wearing a mouth mask; a new microclimate Being able to breathe clean air freely is important for maintaining good health. That is why it is important to analyze the effects of the microclimate that is created inside and on the mask. By wearing mouth masks, the temperature increases and the humidity changes. The psychological effect of wearing a mouth mask alone can cause a change in the way of breathing. Depending on the type of mask / mouth mask, the wearer experiences more resistance in breathing and problems may arise to inhale sufficient O2. When a shortage of O2 is experienced, the activity of the sympathetic nervous system (flight-fight reaction) increases. The heartbeat gets faster; a risk of feeling unwell or tired and even passing out. Headaches, skin reactions and itching from wearing masks have also been described. Experienced discomfort leads to more stress, resulting in a vicious circle. When a mask is worn for a long period of time, the oxygen level in the blood may decrease and the CO2 level may increase. This can increase inflammation and weaken immunity to external factors. More energy is needed to keep the existing inflammations under control. Also, the concentration of bacteria and viruses in the mask and nasal and pharynx can increase by exhaling and breathing in the same air again. Toxic substances from dyes or bleaches and / or dust particles from the substances used for the mouth caps can increase in the microclimate and thus end up in the lungs. Uncontrolled production of mouth masks increases negative influences The production of hip masks has become a rapidly growing market for the fashion industry. The advertising industry has received a new file. To date, there are no strict quality requirements for the mouth masks, which means that everything is possible. Even for medical masks that do have quality requirements, the high demand has created a true Wild West market. Whether it be design mouth masks or homemade mouth masks made from unapproved fabrics, it demands alertness for possible adverse health consequences. Toxic substances from dyes or bleaches and / or dust particles from the substances used for the mouth caps can increase in the microclimate and thus end up in the lungs. Any damage to lung epithelial cells, the first barrier to prevent infection, can make the body more susceptible to bacterial and viral infections. Possible connection air pollution and course COVID-19 Scientific studies have shown the possible adverse effects of air pollution on the immune system. At the same time, impurities may increase the expression of the number of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) receptors. This means that more receptors are available for the virus to bind to, allowing for a more severe course of COVID-19. A recent Harvard University study is the first to show a statistically significant association between the severity of COVID-19 course and the degree of air pollution. The spread of the virus may increase due to the unsafe use of mouth masks. Use face masks to increase the spread of the virus Research published in the British Medical Journal in 2015, in which 3M participated, showed a higher concentration of the virus in people who used mouth masks compared to people who did not wear a mask / medical mask. Most people do not have enough knowledge to use the mask properly, such as renewing frequently, washing hands frequently, removing and disposing of safely. The spread of the virus may increase due to the unsafe use of mouth masks. Scientific research into the effect of the use of surgical masks showed a higher concentration of viruses and bacteria on the outside of the mask. https://www.hpdetijd.nl/2020-06-19/v...de-gezondheid/ __________________ everything is fake

06-22-2020, 10:57 AM	#113
Tasty1 Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: South-America Posts: 9,387	The question of whether mouth masks is the solution to reduce the spread of the virus is a topic of concern for many. Scientific support, as Prime Minister Mark Rutte put it, is wafer-thin. Until June 1, wearing mouth masks was not yet mandatory. Since the end of April and also after the relaxation of the intelligent lockdown, we have seen a steady decline in the number of infections. On 4 June, professor Jaap van Dissel of RIVM presented the figures for COVID-19 in the Netherlands; 98 percent of people who get the coronavirus have few complaints. One and a half percent must be admitted to hospital and 0.4 percent end up in intensive care. Currently, the number of people in intensive care is less than 100 and there are approximately 2000 infections. Since the end of April, the number of people who visit the GP with flu symptoms has been lower than the limit in the event of an epidemic. The virus is manageable and will die out. Of the 57,630 corona tests performed by the GGD last week, the virus was detected in only 2.1% of people with complaints. The results are increasingly negative. 98 percent of people who get the coronavirus have few complaints. In total, 48,087 persons tested positive for COVID-19 in a population of 17.4 million. The number of people who have had an infection may be higher because in the early days not everyone with symptoms could be tested for the presence of the virus. 6,042 people have since died of the virus. 50% are over 83 years of age and 70% have underlying suffering. Both in Belgium and in the Netherlands it appears that about 80% of people with COVID-19 in intensive care are seriously overweight. Compared to 2015, fewer people died during the annual flu season this year. Also, no more people have died worldwide than in previous years during the flu season. This includes the number of COVID-19 deaths. Policy changes of mouth masks For the time being, RIVM advises that wearing mouth masks has no effect on the spread of COVID-19 and that there is insufficient scientific evidence. An important argument is the permeability of the mouth caps. A virus particle is about 80 - 150 nanometers in diameter. This is too small to be blocked by the dust (s) of the mask. Until recently, WHO also believed that it is not necessary for healthy people to wear a mask. On 5 June, the WHO issued an adapted opinion for countries with virus spread. In the new message, the WHO recommends that healthy people should also use masks or medical masks in places where keeping a distance of 1.5 meters is difficult, such as in public transport, shops and in a busy environment. Effectiveness not demonstrated Based on some recent studies of wearing face masks in families with a person with COVID-19, WHO indirectly concludes that wearing a mouth mask / mask may help protect against infection. The conclusion in the WHO document 'Advice on the use of masks in the context of COVID-19 interim guidance 5 June 2020', which was compiled on the basis of scientific literature and interviews with experts, reads: “At present, scientific do not investigate direct evidence that wearing mouth masks is effective in reducing the spread of viruses that cause upper respiratory tract infections, including for the SARS-COV-2 virus. ” At present, there is no direct evidence from scientific research that wearing mouth masks is effective in reducing the spread of the coronavirus WHO A 2012 review in the journal Respiratory Virus, which examined seventeen studies looking at the effect of mouth and medical mask wearing on the spread of influenza virus, concludes that there is no protective effect. Data from such studies for SARS-COV-2 are unknown. https://www.hpdetijd.nl/2020-06-12/a...jde-mondkapje/ __________________ everything is fake

06-22-2020, 02:36 PM	#115
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06-22-2020, 06:31 AM	#102
juicydiva Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Somewhere in West Bengal Posts: 42	I hate wearing mask, I don't care if I would be kicked out of this life by whoever. Just wearing it so that my co-existors wouldn't get sick just because of my recklessness.

06-22-2020, 03:22 PM	#116
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06-22-2020, 06:51 PM	#117
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06-22-2020, 07:49 PM	#119
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06-22-2020, 11:26 PM	#121
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06-23-2020, 07:30 AM	#130
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06-23-2020, 08:02 AM	#131
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06-23-2020, 12:41 PM	#136
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06-25-2020, 02:00 PM	#147
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