Obamas presidential status is questioned. US Army Lt Colonel refuses orders.

[USS Clownpenis]

Officer questioning eligibility faces new threats from Army
'You could be sentenced to dismissal, confinement'
Posted: April 05, 2010
9:00 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2010 WorldNetDaily


Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama's eligibility.

The Army is threatening to dismiss and jail an active-duty lieutenant colonel who says he won't obey military orders until he knows that President Obama is in the Oval Office as a constitutionally eligible president, according to his supporters.

A statement given to WND today by Margaret Hemenway, who is acting as a spokeswoman for the case involving the American Patriot Foundation and Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, said Lakin is "undaunted" and has not changed his position.

Lakin announced his position with a video stating he would not follow orders because he was not sure of their legality under Obama, who has concealed personal information that could confirm he meets the constitutional requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

WND reported earlier when the Army "unofficially" recommended a medical evaluation, which Lakin refused.

Now, the Army has issued a "counseling form" warning Lakin his deployment orders are valid. The document has been posted on the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which is assembling support for the officer.

"On 30 March 2010, this command became aware of your intentions to refuse to follow deployment orders. Your stated reason for refusal was your belief that the election of the President of the United States is invalid because you believe he is not 'native born' [sic]. This counseling is to inform you that your deployment orders are presumed to be valid and lawful orders issued by competent military authority," said the document from the "counselor," Lt. Col. William D. Judd.

The letter reminded Lakin of his April 12 due date at Fort Campbell, Ky.

"Failure to follow your reassignment and/or deployment orders may result in adverse action including court-martial," the officer was warned.

The document cited articles 86, 87 and 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: being missing, disobeying an order and contempt).

"If found guilty ? you could be sentenced to dismissal from the service ? forefeiture of all pay and allowances; and confinement for a period of months or years in a military prison," the warning stated.

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WND has reported that the controversy raises the prospect that the government ultimately may not want to pursue a prosecution because a defense attorney could demand in court proof that the orders are issued by an eligible president.

Even participants in a forum on the left-leaning Huffington Post website seemed to agree in part.

"Freakin' Brilliant!" said one. "They can't court-martial him [without] the defense getting the judge to order the the (sic) birth-certificate be produced! Either Obama will have to produce or they can't prosecute. Genius." ....

...the case of (Major Stefan) Cook, the reservist who challenged his deployment orders over questions about their legality under Obama.

"Rather than contesting the suit," Day wrote, "the Army took the highly peculiar step of revoking the major's deployment order, suggesting that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander in chief.

"The Pentagon's decision to back down rather than risk exposing Obama's birth records to the public means that every single American soldier, sailor, pilot and Marine now holds a 'get out of war free' card. Not only every deployment order, but every order issued from an officer in the line of command can now be challenged in the knowledge that the top brass are afraid to respond for fear that their commander could be exposed for a fraud," he wrote at the time. ...

...Obama's actual response to those who question his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement that the U.S. president be a "natural born citizen" has been to dispatch both private and tax-funded attorneys to prevent anyone from gaining access to his documentation....

[RadicalSights]

Obama is a fraud that spends everyones money.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

obama is black, tee hee....

[Luscious Media]

Fucking pussy...have fun in Levenworth

[seeandsee]

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

Obama is a fraud that spends everyones money.

for the change

[dallasnovelty]

I'll keep MY money and MY guns, YOU can keep the change! - Hank Williams Jr.

[Martin]

Originally Posted by Luscious Media

Fucking pussy...have fun in Levenworth

Pretty bold move for a pussy.

[VikingMan]

Our last real president was JFK. All have been frauds since

[Luscious Media]

Originally Posted by Martin

Pretty bold move for a pussy.

Bold yes...but still a coward pussy.

[goodsites]

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"

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* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with
military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

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So this is all going nowhere, except maybe a surprise of who Obama's parents are and from.
The only chance Obama isn't a citizen is if both his parents were not Citizens if he was born anywhere outside of the US, which we might find as true but doesn't mean much legally.. Just puts a image in other peoples eyes that he WASN'T BORN in America.. but that might not be true.. so cant say now

I think this is borderline legal mumbo jumbo that one rather have sealed than to deal with... But the saying natural born in the US, does not necessarily mean BORN IN THE US, and the saying is born or naturalized in the United States

[BlackCrayon]

stomp your feet and cry loud enough, someone will listen. doesn't mean they will care though.

[Jakez]

Seriously? All of this over birth documents? Is it really that big of a deal? He's the fucking President get over it man.

[USS Clownpenis]

Originally Posted by goodsites

So this is all going nowhere, except maybe a surprise of who Obama's parents are and from.
The only chance Obama isn't a citizen is if both his parents were not Citizens if he was born anywhere outside of the US, which we might find as true but doesn't mean much legally.. Just puts a image in other peoples eyes that he WASN'T BORN in America.. but that might not be true.. so cant say now

I think this is borderline legal mumbo jumbo that one rather have sealed than to deal with... But the saying natural born in the US, does not necessarily mean BORN IN THE US, and the saying is born or naturalized in the United States

Not only is Obama's birth place in doubt but there's a growing question of whether or not he renounced whatever US citizenship he had when he went to Indonesia as a child. There's a growing body of evidence that he may have become an Indonesian citizen in which case he'd be just as ineligible for the Presidency as if he'd never been born in the US.

And note; if he wanted to be any of his employees he'd have had to produce all this material.


His career as a "law professor" is becoming increasingly suspect too. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review but didn't publish anything at all. Most unusual...

[USS Clownpenis]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

stomp your feet and cry loud enough, someone will listen. doesn't mean they will care though.

This man is a Lt Col, he's not some basement dwelling GFY idiot.

AND a doctor, a real doctor; a flight surgeon.

I bet they back down and rescind the orders.

[BIGTYMER]

Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis

Not only is Obama's birth place in doubt but there's a growing question of whether or not he renounced whatever US citizenship he had when he went to Indonesia as a child. There's a growing body of evidence that he may have become an Indonesian citizen in which case he'd be just as ineligible for the Presidency as if he'd never been born in the US.

And note; if he wanted to be any of his employees he'd have had to produce all this material.


His career as a "law professor" is becoming increasingly suspect too. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review but didn't publish anything at all. Most unusual...

I think I just saw a UFO fly over my house. I better go grab my tinfoil hat.

[Serge Litehead]

before election someone was preaching for more government transparency

[The Demon]

I hate Obama just as much as any rational person does. But seriously, still bitching about his birth? Obama's birth place should be the least of Americans' concerns at this point. Who cares where someone is from if that someone is busy fucking up your economy?

[CIVMatt]

I want to see a real news source link to this story

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

I hate Obama just as much as any rational person does. But seriously, still bitching about his birth? Obama's birth place should be the least of Americans' concerns at this point. Who cares where someone is from if that someone is busy fucking up your economy?

Nobody gives a shit what you think.

[Voodoo]

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Nobody gives a shit what you think.

Says the loser who everybody ignores and who spends his time stalking my posts

[Luscious Media]

This isn't about Obama but some fucking wimp officer who doesn't want to deploy.

"...I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me."

"...and the orders of the officers appointed over me." It says AND, not and/or. It doesn't matter if Big O is Commander in Chief or not, he's disobeying a direct order of the officers appointed over him. Period.

You took the oath. Get on the plane fucker.

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by *******

Our last real president was JFK. All have been frauds since

fuck JFK.
bitch only passed affirmative action cause he was backed into a corner.
and fuck abe lincoln too.

[Vendzilla]

All this doesn't matter
Once he became president, all records of him became Classified Top Secret
So unless he says he's not a natural born citizen, they have nothing

[Poindexterity]

Originally Posted by Luscious Media

This isn't about Obama but some fucking wimp officer who doesn't want to deploy.

"...I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me."

"...and the orders of the officers appointed over me." It says AND, not and/or. It doesn't matter if Big O is Commander in Chief or not, he's disobeying a direct order of the officers appointed over him. Period.

You took the oath. Get on the plane fucker.

thank you.
also, i'd like to make an assumption here.
tell me if im wrong.

but this officer is white, is he not?
imagine that.
kinda sucks when its a black guy sending whites to die huh?
did i just see rod serling?

[Voodoo]

Originally Posted by Poindexterity

thank you.
also, i'd like to make an assumption here.
tell me if im wrong.

but this officer is white, is he not?
imagine that.
kinda sucks when its a black guy sending whites to die huh?
did i just see rod serling?

[RaiderCash_Dominik]

Congrats to winners.

[ToBad]

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

Obama is a fraud that spends everyones money.

But so far Obama is the best president fraud for USA they can get. President George H. W. Bush was a even bigger president fraud for the americans.

[brassmonkey]

i think it's just racial bullshit fuck threats do like gangs do drop him off in iraq wearing a flag shirt

[USS Clownpenis]

Originally Posted by CIVMatt

I want to see a real news source link to this story

wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=137013

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by ToBad

But so far Obama is the best president fraud for USA they can get. President George H. W. Bush was a even bigger president fraud for the americans.

At this point that's not even accurate and Obama has been in power for little over a year.

[roly]

Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis

His career as a "law professor" is becoming increasingly suspect too. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review but didn't publish anything at all. Most unusual...

why? writers write and editors edit.

[sextoyking]

Another right wing "birther" at work.

People will stop at nothing to harm and destroy our duly elected president....

A court martial and a bad conduct discharge will serve this guy right.....

[fl_prn_str]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

Another right wing "birther" at work.

People will stop at nothing to harm and destroy our duly elected president....

A court martial and a bad conduct discharge will serve this guy right.....

why be so nice and give him that.....a Dishonorable will do the trick!

[Tom_PM]

Any reasonble person knows that Obama / Biden == Osama Bin Laden.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by sextoyking

Another right wing "birther" at work.

People will stop at nothing to harm and destroy our duly elected president....

A court martial and a bad conduct discharge will serve this guy right.....

Are you one of the hypocrites that bashed Bush for everything he did?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by ToBad

But so far Obama is the best president fraud for USA they can get. President George H. W. Bush was a even bigger president fraud for the americans.

Do you spit much when you talk?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Poindexterity

fuck JFK.
bitch only passed affirmative action cause he was backed into a corner.
and fuck abe lincoln too.

Affirmative Action was a joke, they came to a high rise I was working on in the 80's asking what race we were, they raced off the job.

And what do you have against Abe? Or are you just a hater?

[crazytrini85]

Originally Posted by Luscious Media

Fucking pussy...have fun in Levenworth

He is a pussy for refusing orders?

I doubt you would complain at McDonalds if they messed up your order, and you're calling this guy a coward?

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by crazytrini85

He is a pussy for refusing orders?

I doubt you would complain at McDonalds if they messed up your order, and you're calling this guy a coward?

People stand up for their beliefs and the left will brand them, thats what they did to Palin and thats what they are doing to tea party. The true cowards are the ones that attack those that are standing up for their rights.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

People stand up for their beliefs and the left will brand them, thats what they did to Palin and thats what they are doing to tea party. The true cowards are the ones that attack those that are standing up for their rights.

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

[roly]

Originally Posted by The Demon

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by roly

If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

Do you have any idea what a communist is?

Short bus is honking it's horn, you better get moving

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by roly

If that's your definition of left wing, I'm guessing you're a communist.

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense

See how easy that was?

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by The Demon

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

[EZRhino]

Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

[Tom_PM]

What belief is the tea party standing up for? The belief that they dont like Obama.

[The Demon]

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

This is fact.

[fl_prn_str]

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

Any reasonble person knows that Obama / Biden == Osama Bin Laden.

what you forgot Hussein...

[fl_prn_str]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

People stand up for their beliefs and the left will brand them, thats what they did to Palin and thats what they are doing to tea party. The true cowards are the ones that attack those that are standing up for their rights.

who took your rights.....???