Originally Posted by PR_Tom

What belief is the tea party standing up for? The belief that they dont like Obama.

Originally Posted by cwd

the left this...the right that....

and people still wonder why nothing gets done in the US?

Originally Posted by BestXXXPorn

Destroy the two party system...

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Sounds like a couple of things are going on here. One thing is that orders are orders and as much as I hate that Obama is President, he is Comander and Chief and your oath must be kept. Second, you are a officer in the the US Military you do not have a political opinion publicly. When you are discharged for whatever reason thats when you get to have a public opinion.

Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis

Officer questioning eligibility faces new threats from Army
'You could be sentenced to dismissal, confinement'
Posted: April 05, 2010
9:00 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
? 2010 WorldNetDaily


Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama's eligibility.

The Army is threatening to dismiss and jail an active-duty lieutenant colonel who says he won't obey military orders until he knows that President Obama is in the Oval Office as a constitutionally eligible president, according to his supporters.

A statement given to WND today by Margaret Hemenway, who is acting as a spokeswoman for the case involving the American Patriot Foundation and Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, said Lakin is "undaunted" and has not changed his position.

Lakin announced his position with a video stating he would not follow orders because he was not sure of their legality under Obama, who has concealed personal information that could confirm he meets the constitutional requirement that a president be a "natural born citizen."

WND reported earlier when the Army "unofficially" recommended a medical evaluation, which Lakin refused.

Now, the Army has issued a "counseling form" warning Lakin his deployment orders are valid. The document has been posted on the Safeguard Our Constitution website, which is assembling support for the officer.

"On 30 March 2010, this command became aware of your intentions to refuse to follow deployment orders. Your stated reason for refusal was your belief that the election of the President of the United States is invalid because you believe he is not 'native born' [sic]. This counseling is to inform you that your deployment orders are presumed to be valid and lawful orders issued by competent military authority," said the document from the "counselor," Lt. Col. William D. Judd.

The letter reminded Lakin of his April 12 due date at Fort Campbell, Ky.

"Failure to follow your reassignment and/or deployment orders may result in adverse action including court-martial," the officer was warned.

The document cited articles 86, 87 and 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice: being missing, disobeying an order and contempt).

"If found guilty … you could be sentenced to dismissal from the service … forefeiture of all pay and allowances; and confinement for a period of months or years in a military prison," the warning stated.

...
WND has reported that the controversy raises the prospect that the government ultimately may not want to pursue a prosecution because a defense attorney could demand in court proof that the orders are issued by an eligible president.

Even participants in a forum on the left-leaning Huffington Post website seemed to agree in part.

"Freakin' Brilliant!" said one. "They can't court-martial him [without] the defense getting the judge to order the the (sic) birth-certificate be produced! Either Obama will have to produce or they can't prosecute. Genius." ....

...the case of (Major Stefan) Cook, the reservist who challenged his deployment orders over questions about their legality under Obama.

"Rather than contesting the suit," Day wrote, "the Army took the highly peculiar step of revoking the major's deployment order, suggesting that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander in chief.

"The Pentagon's decision to back down rather than risk exposing Obama's birth records to the public means that every single American soldier, sailor, pilot and Marine now holds a 'get out of war free' card. Not only every deployment order, but every order issued from an officer in the line of command can now be challenged in the knowledge that the top brass are afraid to respond for fear that their commander could be exposed for a fraud," he wrote at the time. ...

...Obama's actual response to those who question his eligibility to be president under the Constitution's requirement that the U.S. president be a "natural born citizen" has been to dispatch both private and tax-funded attorneys to prevent anyone from gaining access to his documentation....

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

My point exactly, you listen to the media bashing the party and that becomes the only thing you know, mindless and happy!

Originally Posted by The Demon

People should learn to ignore the left. They're deluded, ignorant, and lack any kind of common sense.

Originally Posted by joshgirls

a fresh example how far down the right wing is sinking. A republican soldier refusing orders is disgraceful. That type of shit i would expect from a democrat, not a republican.

Originally Posted by mayabong

Lol whats your definition of a republican (waits for you to look it up on wikipedia)??? People are so duped by the 2 party system its sad. Divide and Conquer.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom

No, thats silly. And if you've paid attention, you know that I watch fox, msnbc, cnn, and my local junky cable news channel, because I've mentioned that a bunch of times.

Please tell me what the tea parties beliefs are if they're not simply "no obama".

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'm by no means a birther.... But I am confused as to why Obama has spent 2 million dollars of taxpayer money on lawyers to block the release of so many of his records....


You've gotta admit it's a bit weird.


.

Originally Posted by The Demon

Ah yes, and it's mayabong who is the enlightened and informed one. The Jews/Bilderberg/Illuminati run the world! 9/11 was an inside Job!! Obama is an alien! Please lay off the pipe.

Originally Posted by SEO Expert

Sounds like the officer is not sure if Obama is a legitimate president and wants proof.

Originally Posted by The Demon

I hate Obama just as much as any rational person does. But seriously, still bitching about his birth? Obama's birth place should be the least of Americans' concerns at this point. Who cares where someone is from if that someone is busy fucking up your economy?

Originally Posted by theking

The man does not have a leg to stand on and he is aware of that...he has his own agenda.

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Legit request for any civilian or political leadership. But it's a slippery slope for any officer or enlisted man to use whatever they feel is questionable election, like the 2000 election. The only time a officer or enlisted man can question his or her leadership is when moral issues, of things like life and death, are in question. That's still a tough call since many in ranks don't know all the details of their orders and the greater good. If I am a rifleman being order to cut down a bunch of kids, sure its my obligation to say no. If I am a Fire control officer and I am about lob a 1000lb missile into a defenseless village, I have to question it. But really, a surgeon doesn't have much leg to stand on. At the end of the day he won't be convicted of disobeying the President but his CO. Who is, without a doubt, legit.

BTW, did anyone noticed that this story broke on April First.

Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis

The "order" in question is not just any order but an order to report. It comes from the TOP, so the officer is REQUIRED by military law itself to question anything about it that is erroneous, including if he sincerely believes that the originator, in this case the CiC Obama, is not eligible to issue the order.

Not one of the issues you mimic in your post is relevant.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Fiscal Conservatism
The Tea Party Movement supports constitutionally limited government generally and more specifically is anti-stimulus, anti-deficit, anti-bailout and anti-health reform

But if you have ever watched Fox, then you would know that

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Birthers = Lunatic Fringe

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Originally Posted by BFT3K

Birthers = Lunatic Fringe

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Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that the Tea Party is basically just an extension of the republican party who claim to stand for these things and yet, when in power, pretty much do just the opposite with the exception being anti-health reform. They have never had an interest in it in the past and if in power they wouldn't have an interest in it now. But they grow the debt, they grow the government, they spend money like crazy and and they are about as fiscally conservative as a drunken Kennedy at a strip club.

The beauty is that they have convinced a lot of people in the Tea Party that they really are these things.

The only way the Tea Party can help to break the two party system down is if they run independent candidates who are not democrat or republican, but are Tea Party candidates and work to get them elected. As they are now, they are just going to vote republican and while that may take some power from the democrats and maybe curb some of the crazy spending they are doing, it won't make any real difference in solving the problems of Washington.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang

Seems like Obama could shut a lot of people up and make them go away by producing a few documents. The more he resists the more it persists.

Originally Posted by kane

Here is the potential problem with doing that. It is basically a small fringe group that is demanding these documents. If he gives into this group's demands it most likely will not make them happy. Most of them hate him and will find some other technicality to attack him on. Regardless of that, it would open up a can of worms and set a precedent. Then any crazy group with an agenda could go after him demanding this and demanding that and we end up burning even more tax dollars trying to fulfill these demands.

Palin is a pretty good example of this. One of the reasons she says she left office was that her administration was under siege. People were requesting every single little document she had ever touched and her office had spent over 600K fulfilling these demands. There was no end in sight. Her haters were going to go through every letter of every document and find things to attack her with.

While I think there were other bigger reasons for her stepping down (IE millions to be made with books, speeches and TV shows plus the fact that she may have lost her re-election bid) it doesn't change the fact that these things happened to her and would/could happen to Obama. He has produced the document that is required, he has satisfied the legal requirement and he isn't going to bow to a small, vocal and angry group. As soon as he does that he may well be opening the flood gates.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He is going in a military court, to go through a court-martial. Whatever his reason is, isn't up for question... him disobeying orders is.

They don't have to discover anything, they don't even have to entertain it.... They only need to ask, did you receive you orders? Yes. Did you obey them? No.

Ruling made, court over, life fucked.

Originally Posted by theking

A recent poll showed that the tea party is made up of a majority Republicans...but if the Independents and Democrats in the tea party are combined they make up the majority of the party...but all members all are conservative leaning...so yes the majority will vote republican...even though the Republicans are exactly as you have stated.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He is going in a military court, to go through a court-martial. Whatever his reason is, isn't up for question... him disobeying orders is.

They don't have to discover anything, they don't even have to entertain it.... They only need to ask, did you receive you orders? Yes. Did you obey them? No.

Ruling made, court over, life fucked.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'm by no means a birther.... But I am confused as to why Obama has spent 2 million dollars of taxpayer money on lawyers to block the release of so many of his records....


You've gotta admit it's a bit weird.


.

Originally Posted by kane

Here is the potential problem with doing that. It is basically a small fringe group that is demanding these documents. If he gives into this group's demands it most likely will not make them happy. Most of them hate him and will find some other technicality to attack him on. Regardless of that, it would open up a can of worms and set a precedent. Then any crazy group with an agenda could go after him demanding this and demanding that and we end up burning even more tax dollars trying to fulfill these demands.

Palin is a pretty good example of this. One of the reasons she says she left office was that her administration was under siege. People were requesting every single little document she had ever touched and her office had spent over 600K fulfilling these demands. There was no end in sight. Her haters were going to go through every letter of every document and find things to attack her with.

While I think there were other bigger reasons for her stepping down (IE millions to be made with books, speeches and TV shows plus the fact that she may have lost her re-election bid) it doesn't change the fact that these things happened to her and would/could happen to Obama. He has produced the document that is required, he has satisfied the legal requirement and he isn't going to bow to a small, vocal and angry group. As soon as he does that he may well be opening the flood gates.

Originally Posted by USS Clownpenis

This man is a Lt Col, he's not some basement dwelling GFY idiot.

AND a doctor, a real doctor; a flight surgeon.

I bet they back down and rescind the orders.

Originally Posted by JP513

Hating Obama isn't rational. Not supporting him is. Otherwise, agreed--still bitching about his birth? It's not important. And other presidents have had their "natural born status" questioned. It's mostly racism.

Originally Posted by BFT3K

Obama's second term is a lock. You guys may want to hold back some of your hate for the future. No sense blowing it all in only the 2nd of his 8 year term... you may run out of stupidity.

Originally Posted by kane

The problem is that the Tea Party is basically just an extension of the republican party who claim to stand for these things and yet, when in power, pretty much do just the opposite with the exception being anti-health reform. They have never had an interest in it in the past and if in power they wouldn't have an interest in it now. But they grow the debt, they grow the government, they spend money like crazy and and they are about as fiscally conservative as a drunken Kennedy at a strip club.

The beauty is that they have convinced a lot of people in the Tea Party that they really are these things.

The only way the Tea Party can help to break the two party system down is if they run independent candidates who are not democrat or republican, but are Tea Party candidates and work to get them elected. As they are now, they are just going to vote republican and while that may take some power from the democrats and maybe curb some of the crazy spending they are doing, it won't make any real difference in solving the problems of Washington.

Originally Posted by theking

A recent poll showed that the tea party is made up of a majority Republicans...but if the Independents and Democrats in the tea party are combined they make up the majority of the party...but all members all are conservative leaning...so yes the majority will vote republican...even though the Republicans are exactly as you have stated.

Originally Posted by TheDoc

He is going in a military court, to go through a court-martial. Whatever his reason is, isn't up for question... him disobeying orders is.

They don't have to discover anything, they don't even have to entertain it.... They only need to ask, did you receive you orders? Yes. Did you obey them? No.

Ruling made, court over, life fucked.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang

Yeah, I've heard this argument and I don't buy it. For one thing asking for a birth certificate is about as precedent-setting an event as showing your driver's license. There's nothing top secret about it. As for burning tax dollars up it seems Mr. Obama has spent more than a couple of those PREVENTING anyone from seeing his birth certificate.

Produce the document and make this all go away or I'd have to start wondering what exactly is he trying to hide.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang

Yeah, I've heard this argument and I don't buy it. For one thing asking for a birth certificate is about as precedent-setting an event as showing your driver's license. There's nothing top secret about it. As for burning tax dollars up it seems Mr. Obama has spent more than a couple of those PREVENTING anyone from seeing his birth certificate.

Produce the document and make this all go away or I'd have to start wondering what exactly is he trying to hide.

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'm by no means a birther.... But I am confused as to why Obama has spent 2 million dollars of taxpayer money on lawyers to block the release of so many of his records....


You've gotta admit it's a bit weird.


.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Fiscal Conservatism
The Tea Party Movement supports constitutionally limited government generally and more specifically is anti-stimulus, anti-deficit, anti-bailout and anti-health reform

But if you have ever watched Fox, then you would know that