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Old 04-07-2010, 04:52 PM   #101
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It's ok for birthers to seek the truth about Obama's birthplace, but when people ask questions and raise issues about 9 / 11 they are treated like lunatics.
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He is a pussy for refusing orders?

I doubt you would complain at McDonalds if they messed up your order, and you're calling this guy a coward?
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It's ok for birthers to seek the truth about Obama's birthplace, but when people ask questions and raise issues about 9 / 11 they are treated like lunatics.
Amazingly birthers are pretty much put in the same boat as truthers. From what I see anyways.
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Were those guys on sick leave for the past 8 years ?
They started during bush when they brought up the stimulus
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Yeah, I've heard this argument and I don't buy it. For one thing asking for a birth certificate is about as precedent-setting an event as showing your driver's license. There's nothing top secret about it. As for burning tax dollars up it seems Mr. Obama has spent more than a couple of those PREVENTING anyone from seeing his birth certificate.

Produce the document and make this all go away or I'd have to start wondering what exactly is he trying to hide.
In a way you have made my point for me. He has produced a birth certificate. The group that looks at these documents as seen it and said it is legit and that he is a US citizen, yet that isn't good enough for a lot of people. A lot of people want to see the long form certificate.

My brother has a daughter who just started playing Softball. They have to show the kid's birth certificate when they sign up to prove her age and for some legal insurnace reason. My brother had lost her certificate so I helped him get online and order a copy of it. When you order it they tell you right up front that this will be a short form certificate, just like the one you would get when you leave the hospital with the baby and that if you want a copy of the long form certificate you have to contact a different group.

Everything accepts the the short form as proof. You can get a driver's license, passport and use it for anything else you would need in this country. Obama has shown the short form certificate. It has been authenticated and approved, yet that is still not good enough for some people.

I'm sure some of it is simply because this group is primarily made up of anti-Obama conservatives and he doesn't want placate them, but some of it is simply not playing games. Do you think if McCain had won or if this question had been brought up by a hippy liberal anti-republican group against Bush he would have played along? Somehow I doubt it.

If Obama showed his long form certificate they birthers would just switch mode. Then they would want him to prove that he didn't renounce his citizenship when he was a child and living overseas with his dad or that he isn't really a muslim. He will never make them happy so there is no use in trying.
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Any reasonble person knows that Obama / Biden == Osama Bin Laden.


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Stupid.....But it is only the beginning. As much as some of you get a kick out of the "birthers" and tea party clowns; I get a much bigger kick out of Obama supporters. As far as I'm concerned they are the biggest idiots out of the bunch.

Force a health care package the majority of American people didn't want
Raise taxes
Propose new VAT taxes

Ties to the most corrupt organization.


Propose cap and trade
Proposed national tax on goods sold over the internet.

Break 80% of his campaign promises.

Yet, all the idiot Obama supporters have to say is, "but look at Bush", "stupid birthers". haha! Clowns!
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Now I am not saying either way what I believe, but here is a FACT that I do know.
Short Forms can be Changed!
My Short form shows my Step mom as my Birth Mother, and she is NOT!
Just saying!

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In a way you have made my point for me. He has produced a birth certificate. The group that looks at these documents as seen it and said it is legit and that he is a US citizen, yet that isn't good enough for a lot of people. A lot of people want to see the long form certificate.

My brother has a daughter who just started playing Softball. They have to show the kid's birth certificate when they sign up to prove her age and for some legal insurnace reason. My brother had lost her certificate so I helped him get online and order a copy of it. When you order it they tell you right up front that this will be a short form certificate, just like the one you would get when you leave the hospital with the baby and that if you want a copy of the long form certificate you have to contact a different group.

Everything accepts the the short form as proof. You can get a driver's license, passport and use it for anything else you would need in this country. Obama has shown the short form certificate. It has been authenticated and approved, yet that is still not good enough for some people.

I'm sure some of it is simply because this group is primarily made up of anti-Obama conservatives and he doesn't want placate them, but some of it is simply not playing games. Do you think if McCain had won or if this question had been brought up by a hippy liberal anti-republican group against Bush he would have played along? Somehow I doubt it.

If Obama showed his long form certificate they birthers would just switch mode. Then they would want him to prove that he didn't renounce his citizenship when he was a child and living overseas with his dad or that he isn't really a muslim. He will never make them happy so there is no use in trying.
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Investigation reveals numerous bogus claims on Obama resume

In what is being called 'the biggest hustle in human history,' a special investigation has discovered numerous bogus claims on Barack Obama's resume, including the outright lie that he was a 'Constitutional scholar and professor.'

The claim turns out to be false.

(AP Photo/Alex Brandon).

As investigators delve further into the background of Barack Obama, a disturbing picture is emerging of a man who is not who he claims to be. The information the public has been told concerning Obama is turning out to be false--fabrications and inventions of a man and an unseen force behind him that had clear ulterior motives for seeking the highest office in the land.

According to a special report issued by 'the Blogging Professor,' the Chicago Law School faculty hated Obama. The report states that Obama was unqualified, that he was never a 'constitutional professor and scholar,' and that he never served as editor of the Harvard Law Review while a student at the school.

The real truth is that Barack Obama was merely an 'instructor' at Chicago Law School, not a professor. Commonly, instructors are non-tenure-track teachers hired by colleges and universities to teach certain courses for a salary that is well below that of Associate Professors or full Professors.

In the hierarchy of higher education, the status of instructors is below that of associate professors and professors because they lack the credentials.

In fact, it can be safely concluded that the claims of Barack Obama concerning his educational credentials and work history in higher education are a complete sham. The President of the United States is a complete fraud.

According to Doug Ross:

I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about "Barry." Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn't even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn't have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).

Thus, the question arises, was the claim that Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review a 'put-up job' as well, allowing the student to claim he held this prestigious position without having the qualifications or meeting the requirements of holding that position? And why?

Further,

Consider this: 1. President Barack Obama, former editor of the Harvard Law Review, is no longer a "lawyer". He surrendered his license back in 2008 possibly to escape charges that he "fibbed" on his bar application.

2. Michelle Obama "voluntarily surrendered" her law license in 1993.

3. So, we have the President and First Lady - who don't actually have licenses to practice law. Facts.

4. A senior lecturer is one thing. A fully ranked law professor is another. According to the Chicago Sun-Times, "Obama did NOT 'hold the title' of a University of Chicago law school professor". Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.

These are highly disturbing facts, verified facts from the people who know at the Chicago Law School.

There is more from Ross, however:

6. "He did not hold the title of professor of law," said Marsha Ferziger Nagorsky, an Assistant Dean for Communications and Lecturer in Law at the University of Chicago School of Law.

7. The former Constitutional senior lecturer cited the U.S. Constitution recently during his State of the Union Address. Unfortunately, the quote he cited was from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

8. The B-Cast posted the video.

9. In the State of the Union Address, President Obama said: "We find unity in our incredible diversity, drawing on the promise enshrined in ourConstitution: the notion that we are all created equal."

10. By the way, the promises are not a notion, our founders named them unalienable rights. The document is our Declaration of Independence and it reads: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

11. And this is the same guy who lectured the Supreme Court moments later in the same speech?

When you are a phony it's hard to keep facts straight.


Obama has made sure that all of his records are sealed tight. And apart from the courageous souls at the various educational institutions who dared to speak the truth, the schools Obama claimed to attend unanimously refuse to release transcripts, records, or other bits of evidence concerning Obama's presence in their institutions.

BREAKING DEVELOPMENT--just as these disturbing facts come to light about Barack Obama, the White House is busy making deals with numerous 'journalists,' promising unprecedented access to the President in exchange for refraining from reporting certain information 'they may discover.'

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Cons...n-Obama-resume
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Obama is such an honest president, stupid birthers!!!!!!!!!! Obama is our messiah when will you get it?



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blah blah blah ... dubitable source, a blogger with an agenda...

http://www.examiner.com/x-37620-Cons...n-Obama-resume
Straight from the school itself:

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The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as "Senior Lecturer."

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

Harvard Law Review? New York Times from 20 years ago
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
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http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

Harvard Law Review? New York Times from 20 years ago
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us...l?pagewanted=1
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http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

Harvard Law Review? New York Times from 20 years ago
First Black Elected to Head Harvard's Law Review
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us...l?pagewanted=1

Hmm, seems you didn't read the article..

5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.


also..

According to Doug Ross:

I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about "Barry." Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn't even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn't have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

Obama is a CIA asset. I wonder who made the call to the Board of Trustees? Could it have been the CIA?
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I hate Obama just as much as any rational person does. But seriously, still bitching about his birth? Obama's birth place should be the least of Americans' concerns at this point. Who cares where someone is from if that someone is busy fucking up your economy?
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OK, first of all this guys in the US military and has to follow orders unless they are in violation of the law. (I don't care what they say in public, they want you to follow all given orders illegal or otherwise in the military.)
Whether or not Obama is a legal US citizen is/was a matter for the courts etc......

This guy is fucked and will be court marshaled.
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OK, first of all this guys in the US military and has to follow orders unless they are in violation of the law. (I don't care what they say in public, they want you to follow all given orders illegal or otherwise in the military.)
Whether or not Obama is a legal US citizen is/was a matter for the courts etc......

This guy is fucked and will be court marshaled.
Best and most coherent post of this thread.
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The "order" in question is not just any order but an order to report. It comes from the TOP, so the officer is REQUIRED by military law itself to question anything about it that is erroneous, including if he sincerely believes that the originator, in this case the CiC Obama, is not eligible to issue the order.

Not one of the issues you mimic in your post is relevant.
Coming from the experience of enforcing the order to report. He does not have the right to choose not to report. If you choose not to report then you accept the consquences according to the UCMJ. He is REQUIRED by law to report and then submit his request to be re-assigned. If denied, send it up the chain of command. If denied then he has two options report or stand tall before the man. As of right now Obama is CiC and the joint chiefs are giving him a order. He is not treasonous but he is UA and must face his responsibility.
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do you guys think the USA secret service, fbi, etc didnt check out Obama before letting him be president? LOL

you dont wanna know how much they dug into his background.. the usa govt knows all about obama, from what time he was born, and in what hospital, to how many parking tickets, and how much he paid in taxes 10 years ago.. jeez.. this is usa you talking about here.. it'll take the gov 20secs to verify if obama is a usa citizen or not..

besides that general or whatever is an asshat.. your job is to follow orders, not question the validity of the person giving u the order.. dumbfuck
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5. The University of Chicago released a statement in March, 2008 saying Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "served as a professor" in the law school, but that is a title Obama, who taught courses there part-time, never held, a spokesman for the school confirmed in 2008.
When they don't reveal a source, yet it's from "a spokesman for the school" you know it's not credible, especially when written on a blog like the Examiner.

And, who is Doug Ross? Why should I believe what he says, without proof and credible sources? More importantly, why do you?

If even Ann Coulter thinks you're nuts on the birther agenda, you really gotta step back and take a look at where your mind is. Mike Huckabee just laughs at you guys.
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This man is a Lt Col, he's not some basement dwelling GFY idiot.

AND a doctor, a real doctor; a flight surgeon.

I bet they back down and rescind the orders.

No he will be charged for disobeying an order. The Military will not put up with that shit. It doesn't matter who the president is you still follow the chain of command.
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Anyone that has been in the military knows, this guy is toast, career over, and a trail no way, he?s not a civilian, court martial. And he is a peon fucking LT. Col, deciding whether or not to obey the Commander in Chief is way above his pay grade.
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Here is the potential problem with doing that. It is basically a small fringe group that is demanding these documents. If he gives into this group's demands it most likely will not make them happy. Most of them hate him and will find some other technicality to attack him on. Regardless of that, it would open up a can of worms and set a precedent. Then any crazy group with an agenda could go after him demanding this and demanding that and we end up burning even more tax dollars trying to fulfill these demands.

Palin is a pretty good example of this. One of the reasons she says she left office was that her administration was under siege. People were requesting every single little document she had ever touched and her office had spent over 600K fulfilling these demands. There was no end in sight. Her haters were going to go through every letter of every document and find things to attack her with.

While I think there were other bigger reasons for her stepping down (IE millions to be made with books, speeches and TV shows plus the fact that she may have lost her re-election bid) it doesn't change the fact that these things happened to her and would/could happen to Obama. He has produced the document that is required, he has satisfied the legal requirement and he isn't going to bow to a small, vocal and angry group. As soon as he does that he may well be opening the flood gates.
The problem with that is that he has produced all the relevant documentation. They simply don't care or it's never good enough.
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Eh. That's not entirely accurate. The Joint Chiefs are made up of 4 star generals promoted to be the Chief of Staff of their branch, so it is prestigious, but they are actually not in the operational chain of command between the Sec of Defense and the 4-star generals. Their role is to advise the president and administer their branches, including policy, planning, training, etc.

The chain of command runs from the President to the Sec of Defense directly to the 4-star generals of the various operational commands around the world. The most direct of which are the unified commands, i.e., US CentComm, US NorthComm, US EUCOMM (European Command), etc.

The rest of your post--good point. A Lt. Col is an accomplished military officer generally of approximately 17-25 years experience, but when it comes down to his overall authority on matters of policy, the constitution, etc., their role is to carry out orders as assigned by their superiors, which generally includes supervising and commanding subordinate personell.
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Eh. That's not entirely accurate. The Joint Chiefs are made up of 4 star generals promoted to be the Chief of Staff of their branch, so it is prestigious, but they are actually not in the operational chain of command between the Sec of Defense and the 4-star generals. Their role is to advise the president and administer their branches, including policy, planning, training, etc.

The chain of command runs from the President to the Sec of Defense directly to the 4-star generals of the various operational commands around the world. The most direct of which are the unified commands, i.e., US CentComm, US NorthComm, US EUCOMM (European Command), etc.

The rest of your post--good point. A Lt. Col is an accomplished military officer generally of approximately 17-25 years experience, but when it comes down to his overall authority on matters of policy, the constitution, etc., their role is to carry out orders as assigned by their superiors, which generally includes supervising and commanding subordinate personell.
It is my understanding that this Lt. Col is a doctor and doctors are commissioned as Captains thus he is not an accomplished military officer...merely a doctor.l
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It is my understanding that this Lt. Col is a doctor and doctors are commissioned as Captains thus he is not an accomplished military officer...merely a doctor.l
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has pulled out of the Washington summit on nuclear security next week, threatening to create an insurmountable rift with U.S. President Barack Obama.
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god damn, you are stupid
I just verified the fact that the man is a doctor and it is a fact that doctors are commissioned as a Captain...thank you very much. You are now dismissed.
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Eh. That's not entirely accurate. The Joint Chiefs are made up of 4 star generals promoted to be the Chief of Staff of their branch, so it is prestigious, but they are actually not in the operational chain of command between the Sec of Defense and the 4-star generals. Their role is to advise the president and administer their branches, including policy, planning, training, etc.

The chain of command runs from the President to the Sec of Defense directly to the 4-star generals of the various operational commands around the world. The most direct of which are the unified commands, i.e., US CentComm, US NorthComm, US EUCOMM (European Command), etc.

The rest of your post--good point. A Lt. Col is an accomplished military officer generally of approximately 17-25 years experience, but when it comes down to his overall authority on matters of policy, the constitution, etc., their role is to carry out orders as assigned by their superiors, which generally includes supervising and commanding subordinate personell.
My bad, you are correct. Learn something new every day.
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I just verified the fact that the man is a doctor and it is a fact that doctors are commissioned as a Captain...thank you very much. You are now dismissed.
everyone who saw M.A.S.H. would know that
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Imagine how much coverage this story would be getting on Fox if the political roles were reversed?

Waterboard the fucker, and send him off to Guantanamo!
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Imagine how much coverage this story would be getting on Fox if the political roles were reversed?

Waterboard the fucker, and send him off to Guantanamo!
definitely.. i hear waterboarding isn't torture
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definitely.. i hear waterboarding isn't torture
Don't you mean 'enhanced interrogation technique'?
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There was never any doubt in my mind that he would be...if he failed to obey orders. The Courts Martial will be swift with a conviction.
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