Arizona Employees fired after missing work to protest immigration law - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

bronco67 · 06-29-2010, 10:30 PM

On some other board, somewhere on the internet, there's a thread about this subject, but all of the posters are outraged over the firing of people -- who are probably illegally in this country. That scares me.

I say fuck them. They should lose their jobs.

dynastoned · 06-29-2010, 10:33 PM

fuck em if you're going to miss work you get your shifts covered or call in sick. you don't just say fuck it and go protest and say wtf when you don't have a job to come back to.

it's a business people depend on their workers to be responsible. when that many people don't show up for work that will put a restaurant in bad shape for the day. potentially ruining chances for returning customers because service was slow or poor because they were short staffed.

i'd say tough shit as well.

Jon Oso · 06-30-2010, 01:11 AM

As someone who has managed several service industry businesses in AZ it's a big enough pain in the ass when ONE employee doesn't show up when you run a well-oiled machine.

Any time you have certain people hired to do specific jobs you usually train them to do that job and only that job. Especially in a bar/restaurant.

Only reason I'd not be upset is if we were way over staffed and really, really slow and I was expecting that.

In three years I never had ANYONE request a day off and when denied, take it off anyway. They all knew they would no longer have a job unless they got it covered before hand.

You really can't bring your own political, religious, moral, whatever beliefs into a business setting. You were hired to do a specific job at a specific rate of pay, and there are 50 other people I can hire to do the same thing if you don't want to do it. You're paid to do a job, do it to the best of your ability and be a whiney cry-baby on your own time.

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

"The union said at least some of the workers had asked to be granted the day off but were denied. So they decided to attend the rally in solidarity."

is what I'm basing the argument on

I don't see where the union has squat to say about this issue. These workers were not unionized and are not a member.

I think the union is just grand standing to get attention. Like I said, this is a right to work state and beings the workers are not part of that union, they have no claims, except stupidity on their part.

Hopefully this will be a message to all the others who feel they deserve special treatment.

Sly · 06-30-2010, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

"The union said at least some of the workers had asked to be granted the day off but were denied. So they decided to attend the rally in solidarity."

is what I'm basing the argument on

Union? Restaurant employees in Arizona have a union? LOL, what?

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i guess what i'm saying is simply all of us go through situations of understanding/acceptance of beliefs/customs different than our own. Why, suddenly, is protesting suddenly something that can be 'done without'

Everyone has a right to protest, the issue here is that these special people probably felt they deserved the day off to go protest even though some were suppose to be at work and were told they could not have the day off and some just took the day off...basically telling management to fuck off. I think they are learning a hard lesson that they do not have a right to do what ever the hell they want to.

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Union? Restaurant employees in Arizona have a union? LOL, what?

There are unions in AZ, but not very many. I remember when I drove a keg route for Budweiser and the union came in to try and take over....did not work so well and right to work states do not like unions.
This restaurant was not a unionized establishment nor were the idiots a member of the union, this is why I mentioned this union is grand standing for attention.

Grapesoda · 06-30-2010, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Who is making exceptions? Again, get it thru your Commie head, no one is denying their right to protest. I salute them in fact. It takes a lot of conviction to be able to throw away a job for something you believe in. Especially these days.

I imagine they will get their jobs back as well as a LARGE cash settlement from pres urkels fed court

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

I imagine they will get their jobs back as well as a LARGE cash settlement from pres urkels fed court

This is a right to work state, they aren't getting anything back and will probably not get unemployment benefits if the restaurant fights the claims. If I owned that establishment, they wouldn't get one dime.

I am sure this establishment will fight the claims, most employers in AZ do.

TheDoc · 06-30-2010, 06:43 AM

They could have protested before work, during lunch, after work, scheduled a day off or maybe protested a different day or even a different location.

The right to protest is simply the idea that you can protest - it's a very simple idea.

It doesn't mean it gives you permission to miss school, work, legal appointments, court, etc - so you can protest. It would be rather funny to hear a person tell a Judge they missed a court date because they were out protesting.

In any State, those people would have been rightfully fired assuming the Company policy has always been enforced.

brassmonkey · 06-30-2010, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

This is a right to work state, they aren't getting anything back and will probably not get unemployment benefits if the restaurant fights the claims. If I owned that establishment, they wouldn't get one dime.

I am sure this establishment will fight the claims, most employers in AZ do.

yep they can fire u without giving a reason.

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yep they can fire u without giving a reason.

I am sure these idiots thought different.....

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Everyone has a right to protest, the issue here is that these special people probably felt they deserved the day off to go protest even though some were suppose to be at work and were told they could not have the day off and some just took the day off...basically telling management to fuck off. I think they are learning a hard lesson that they do not have a right to do what ever the hell they want to.

the issue here is if it was some cute white lady wanting to protest for or against abortion, she would have been allowed

what happened, is you have a case of class discrimination

but hey, whatever right?

Varius · 06-30-2010, 08:49 AM

LOL you sure those workers weren't Costa Rican

Here, they cannot be fired for taking off work to watch an important soccer game or participate in a public protest.

Actually, when it's the World Cup (not like they make it very often), employers are required to actually give them PAID time off so they can go to a bar and watch it. Sad. As if they could do any less work...

baddog · 06-30-2010, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

the issue here is if it was some cute white lady wanting to protest for or against abortion, she would have been allowed

You really like making assumptions, don't you? What if it was 12 cute white ladies? You think that if that same restaurant had all their waitresses just not show up for work because they wanted to protest abortions PF Chang's would have been cool with it?

brassmonkey · 06-30-2010, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I am sure these idiots thought different.....

yep when i was a teen i learned this.

i was like wtf

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

the issue here is if it was some cute white lady wanting to protest for or against abortion, she would have been allowed

what happened, is you have a case of class discrimination

but hey, whatever right?

Are you kidding me? The issue is not about a white woman. Why all of a sudden do you bring that shit into the mix? What does a white woman have to do with this.

Just for grins, if in fact it was a white woman wanting to protest and she did what they did, her ass would be fired too.

This is about some "stupid idiots" that think they can ignore management's decision. So because they were Mexican they should be allowed to do as they please and fuck what management says? Good way to lose your job......

You obviously don't work in the states, maybe where you are located they allow people to tell their boss to fuck off and we will do as we please.

I don't care what race you are, if you violate any company policy, you get fucked, plain and simple ;)

bbobby86 · 06-30-2010, 09:01 AM

and back on top again...

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

yep when i was a teen i learned this.

i was like wtf

I did too! Asked for the day off, was told no, so I called in sick the next day...returned on Monday from my exciting camping trip and was handed my check. Funny how that stuff works.
I am sure they did it because I am white......

Vendzilla · 06-30-2010, 09:04 AM

half the work force of a resturant didn't show up to work without notice, the resturant couldn't operate like that, jobs were easy to fill, now some protesters are unemployed.

Circle of life

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

half the work force of a resturant didn't show up to work without notice, the resturant couldn't operate like that, jobs were easy to fill, now some protesters are unemployed.

Circle of life

No call, no show = your fired!

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You really like making assumptions, don't you? What if it was 12 cute white ladies? You think that if that same restaurant had all their waitresses just not show up for work because they wanted to protest abortions PF Chang's would have been cool with it?

please point out where i made an assumption

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

Are you kidding me? The issue is not about a white woman. Why all of a sudden do you bring that shit into the mix? What does a white woman have to do with this.

Just for grins, if in fact it was a white woman wanting to protest and she did what they did, her ass would be fired too.

This is about some "stupid idiots" that think they can ignore management's decision. So because they were Mexican they should be allowed to do as they please and fuck what management says? Good way to lose your job......

You obviously don't work in the states, maybe where you are located they allow people to tell their boss to fuck off and we will do as we please.

I don't care what race you are, if you violate any company policy, you get fucked, plain and simple ;)

i brought that shit into the mix because it underlines the reality of race/class discrimination in this regard

the fact it was a company who sells chinese food makes this more disgusting.. i suppose the chinese never have had to deal with forced deportation in the hundreds of thousands

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i brought that shit into the mix because it underlines the reality of race/class discrimination in this regard

the fact it was a company who sells chinese food makes this more disgusting.. i suppose the chinese never have had to deal with forced deportation in the hundreds of thousands

WTF? Now what part of the article mentions mass deportation? Did the article mention mass deportation of these dumb asses? NO!

And what does selling Chinese food have to do with this? You really are reaching

I would take a bet to say the Chinese owners are here legally, but you nor I can prove that, now can we?

There is no discrimination in this case, it is about some fucking idiots that think they were done wrong when they were doing wrong themselves and had their ass handed to them...you will never get it.

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

please point out where i made an assumption

Here ya go.
Your quote.
the issue here is if it was some cute white lady wanting to protest for or against abortion, she would have been allowed

That is an assumption ;)

Sly · 06-30-2010, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

please point out where i made an assumption

Your assumption was quite clear. You are assuming that these people were fired because of the reason they left work (with no notice), following that up by stating if it was a sweet white lady she never would have been fired.

If it was one sweet nonwhite person that decided to not show up to work, they probably would not have been fired either. When it's 12 people, white, black, yellow, orange, or purple... that is a huge issue and you just don't seem to understand that it's a huge issue.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

WTF? Now what part of the article mentions mass deportation? Did the article mention mass deportation of these dumb asses? NO!

And what does selling Chinese food have to do with this? You really are reaching

I would take a bet to say the Chinese owners are here legally, but you nor I can prove that, now can we?

There is no discrimination in this case, it is about some fucking idiots that think they were done wrong when they were doing wrong themselves and had their ass handed to them...you will never get it.

sorry, i view the current legal precedents as a gear up for another reparation, and i can see why the people in question would too

i brought up the Chinese because 100 years ago, we'd be talking about them

and yes, i would get it and do, i have said repeatedly that i am on the fence in regards to the aspect of obligation to work.. personally i think good for them and they can probably get another job in seconds.

my point, again, is the only reason they were protesting is they had an assumed legal right to work if the employer was PF Changs, and faced racial profiling put in by the legislation of the government.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Your assumption was quite clear. You are assuming that these people were fired because of the reason they left work (with no notice), following that up by stating if it was a sweet white lady she never would have been fired.

If it was one sweet nonwhite person that decided to not show up to work, they probably would not have been fired either. When it's 12 people, white, black, yellow, orange, or purple... that is a huge issue and you just don't seem to understand that it's a huge issue.

am i assuming a white woman wouldn't be fired? or am i assuming there won't be a situation where 12 white women get fired for protesting against racial profiling and forced deportation?

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

sorry, i view the current legal precedents as a gear up for another reparation, and i can see why the people in question would too

I assume when you mention "people in question"you are speaking about SB1070 and illegal immigrants?

You bet there will be reparation as states move in the direction that Az has. The illegal immigrants are pissed because the people of this country are fed up with the illegal immigrant situation and they know the free lunch will be over real soon.

I would be pissed too if you took everything away from me and my Family if I was getting for free.

There is a right way to do things and a wrong way....they chose the wrong way.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I assume when you mention "people in question"you are speaking about SB1070 and illegal immigrants?

You bet there will be reparation as states move in the direction that Az has. The illegal immigrants are pissed because the people of this country are fed up with the illegal immigrant situation and they know the free lunch will be over real soon.

I would be pissed too if you took everything away from me and my Family if I was getting for free.

There is a right way to do things and a wrong way....they chose the wrong way.

no, i'm talking about people with a legal right to be there, and/or citizens

previous reparations have been, ahh, indiscriminate in that regard

baddog · 06-30-2010, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

no, i'm talking about people with a legal right to be there, and/or citizens

previous reparations have been, ahh, indiscriminate in that regard

You are a socialist and racist. Well done.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You are a socialist and racist. Well done.

please explain

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

no, i'm talking about people with a legal right to be there, and/or citizens

previous reparations have been, ahh, indiscriminate in that regard

I don't understand what you mean. People that are here legally can be here and those that are here illegally don't. Illegal immigrants have no rights in this country.

Still a bit confused on what you mean

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I don't understand what you mean. People that are here legally can be here and those that are here illegally don't. Illegal immigrants have no rights in this country.

Still a bit confused on what you mean

the people who were fired were legally supposed to be there, i'm assuming, or it would have been out by now that they were aliens

again, a lot of grey areas

theking · 06-30-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

I don't understand what you mean. People that are here legally can be here and those that are here illegally don't. Illegal immigrants have no rights in this country.

Still a bit confused on what you mean

Illegal immigrants do have "rights" in this country...due process of law.

mountainmiester · 06-30-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if they requested the right to protest and were denied, right there, is something that on a legal and moral ground would be something of contention. (ie, personally, i'd want the respect of democratic right if i was going to protest something i believe in.. it's not like i protest everyday)

i also think if they were able to prove that people were missing work with different types of punishment, they'd be able to argue discrimination on racial and political grounds

I so want to meet your dealer, sounds like you got some seriously good weed!

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by theking

Illegal immigrants do have "rights" in this country...due process of law.

And they are about to get it in 30 days

That is about the only right they have......

brassmonkey · 06-30-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

And they are about to get it in 30 days

That is about the only right they have......

28 days

july 28th ive noticed ranch market is empty

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

28 days

july 28th ive noticed ranch market is empty

I didn't even think those were still around. They used to be up there with the el rancho market in the old days.

I noticed allot of places emptying out because the illegal immigrants are hitting the road.
Food city is dead by us and it used to have tons of them hanging around in the parking lot and store. Home depot's around town are getting a nice look to them once more ;)

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainmiester

I so want to meet your dealer, sounds like you got some seriously good weed!

it makes me a pothead arguing for civic rights of american citizens?

duly noted

baddog · 06-30-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

it makes me a pothead arguing for civic rights of american citizens?

duly noted

You have a very strange idea of what our rights are, so yeah, it makes you sound like a pothead. Actually, more like a crackhead.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

You have a very strange idea of what our rights are, so yeah, it makes you sound like a pothead. Actually, more like a crackhead.

if that was so, why is a local union supporting these people? are they crackheads as well?

SykkBoy · 06-30-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki_Licks

No call, no show = your fired!

That's pretty much how it was in every restaurant I've ever worked in...

I'm normally on the side of employees in most issues, but in this case, the employees were in the wrong and fired as they should have been. They knew what company policy was and chose to violate it. These people weren't protesting their treatment at Pei Wei, they were protesting something entirely different.

It's basically a case of these knuckleheads will now have all the time in the world to protest while someone else does they jobs they failed to do...

Sly · 06-30-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if that was so, why is a local union supporting these people? are they crackheads as well?

LOL. Unions are very opportunistic. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They are doing it for their own gains.

baddog · 06-30-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if that was so, why is a local union supporting these people? are they crackheads as well?

Obviously we have gotten into a subject area that you have zero knowledge of.

_Richard_ · 06-30-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Obviously we have gotten into a subject area that you have zero knowledge of.

are they crackheads or not?

Nikki_Licks · 06-30-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

are they crackheads or not?

Actually they are scumbags and they are in it for their own agenda. The fucking union has no say so if the employees fired are not union members. I think anyone can understand this if they have been in a union or not.
You may want to brush up on union policies.

EZRhino · 06-30-2010, 04:21 PM

Thats a great stand for Pei Wei, the workers knew what the policy is and if they get denied the day off and they still go and have personal day. Then get ready to find a new job.

Jon Oso · 06-30-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

if that was so, why is a local union supporting these people? are they crackheads as well?

For the love of fuck please google "Right to work state" before you start asking about fucking unions.

IT'S PEI WEI. They're getting paid probably 6.90 an hour to wash dishes and prepare cafeteria style food, nobody gives a fuck about their jobs, apparently not even them.

buck30 · 06-30-2010, 04:30 PM

Good. Glad they got fired. Now they probably packed up and ran to Pennsylvania . Good riddance

06-29-2010, 10:30 PM	#51
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	On some other board, somewhere on the internet, there's a thread about this subject, but all of the posters are outraged over the firing of people -- who are probably illegally in this country. That scares me. I say fuck them. They should lose their jobs. __________________

06-30-2010, 01:11 AM	#53
Jon Oso Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cardboard Box Posts: 2,241	As someone who has managed several service industry businesses in AZ it's a big enough pain in the ass when ONE employee doesn't show up when you run a well-oiled machine. Any time you have certain people hired to do specific jobs you usually train them to do that job and only that job. Especially in a bar/restaurant. Only reason I'd not be upset is if we were way over staffed and really, really slow and I was expecting that. In three years I never had ANYONE request a day off and when denied, take it off anyway. They all knew they would no longer have a job unless they got it covered before hand. You really can't bring your own political, religious, moral, whatever beliefs into a business setting. You were hired to do a specific job at a specific rate of pay, and there are 50 other people I can hire to do the same thing if you don't want to do it. You're paid to do a job, do it to the best of your ability and be a whiney cry-baby on your own time. __________________ icq 416133583 My Blog Clips4Sale Store

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TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	They could have protested before work, during lunch, after work, scheduled a day off or maybe protested a different day or even a different location. The right to protest is simply the idea that you can protest - it's a very simple idea. It doesn't mean it gives you permission to miss school, work, legal appointments, court, etc - so you can protest. It would be rather funny to hear a person tell a Judge they missed a court date because they were out protesting. In any State, those people would have been rightfully fired assuming the Company policy has always been enforced. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation Last edited by TheDoc; 06-30-2010 at 06:48 AM..

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Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	LOL you sure those workers weren't Costa Rican Here, they cannot be fired for taking off work to watch an important soccer game or participate in a public protest. Actually, when it's the World Cup (not like they make it very often), employers are required to actually give them PAID time off so they can go to a bar and watch it. Sad. As if they could do any less work... __________________ Skype variuscr - Email varius AT gmail

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06-29-2010, 10:33 PM	#52
dynastoned mmm yeah! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: roseville, ca Posts: 5,061	fuck em if you're going to miss work you get your shifts covered or call in sick. you don't just say fuck it and go protest and say wtf when you don't have a job to come back to. it's a business people depend on their workers to be responsible. when that many people don't show up for work that will put a restaurant in bad shape for the day. potentially ruining chances for returning customers because service was slow or poor because they were short staffed. i'd say tough shit as well.

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Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,200	half the work force of a resturant didn't show up to work without notice, the resturant couldn't operate like that, jobs were easy to fill, now some protesters are unemployed. Circle of life __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

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EZRhino Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: couch Posts: 6,258	Thats a great stand for Pei Wei, the workers knew what the policy is and if they get denied the day off and they still go and have personal day. Then get ready to find a new job.

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