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Old 10-21-2010, 11:02 AM   #1
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Obama won't be re-elected. It's over after DADT

The ONLY thing I really hate is when someone doesn't do what they SAY they're going to do....The Don't ask don't tell policy that was struck down by the courts was just reversed due to the Obama Administration petitioning the courts...Now why would someone want to not only go back on what they say they want, but ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING to go back on their word?...I can only think of two reasons:

1. Obama wants to pass it through Congress, and then take the credit for it.
or
2. He's lying.

Why in the FUCK would you turn your back on a large voting block like that when your approval rating is already in the toilet? And it is especially bizarre when all he had to do was NOTHING to make it happen...

It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:09 AM   #2
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The gays learned a long time ago that Obama is only a friend when he is raising money. He probably couldn't count on the votes anyway.
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With Obama, I'd vote for #2 every time.

How do you know Obama is lying? ..His lips are moving.

Obama is there to push the corporate agenda, then he'll be disposed of. That was always the plan.
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well atleast he's not starting too much shit around the world like the bush family did.
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I'm against DADT too - but you have your facts wrong - the appeal was all but automatic. Study up.
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Old 10-21-2010, 11:26 AM   #6
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well atleast he's not starting too much shit around the world like the bush family did.
Nah, dude. ..Obama was put there to "advance" the corporate/military agenda, and on that count, he's been very successful.
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I'm against DADT too - but you have your facts wrong - the appeal was all but automatic. Study up.
No, YOU'RE wrong...There was no "automatic" appeal..It's a not a poker table set on autopilot...Somebody has to take action...
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Yeah, you should leave those decisions up to the Republicans.

They'll take care of it for you.

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No, YOU'RE wrong...There was no "automatic" appeal..It's a not a poker table set on autopilot...Somebody has to take action...
No, YOU misunderstand the entire issue. It's slanted. The legal answer could be challenged, overturned, and thrown out causing a lot of trouble for the military and having to throw out all the gay soldiers. Many people were punished under DADT also. The best solution which they're trying for is having the military openly accept them.
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No, YOU misunderstand the entire issue. It's slanted. The legal answer could be challenged, overturned, and thrown out causing a lot of trouble for the military and having to throw out all the gay soldiers. Many people were punished under DADT also. The best solution which they're trying for is having the military openly accept them.
yeah right. jeez the village people playing 24/7
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The ONLY thing I really hate is when someone doesn't do what they SAY they're going to do....The Don't ask don't tell policy that was struck down by the courts was just reversed due to the Obama Administration petitioning the courts...Now why would someone want to not only go back on what they say they want, but ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING to go back on their word?...I can only think of two reasons:

1. Obama wants to pass it through Congress, and then take the credit for it.
or
2. He's lying.

Why in the FUCK would you turn your back on a large voting block like that when your approval rating is already in the toilet? And it is especially bizarre when all he had to do was NOTHING to make it happen...

It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
The appeal was made because the Secretary of Defense and the Military asked him to appeal the court order. The defense department and the military has an ongoing investigation into DADT about the feasibility of changing the policy. If I am not mistaken the report is to be ready in December.

It would be unwise of him to act against the very military that he is in command of...don't you think?
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The ONLY thing I really hate is when someone doesn't do what they SAY they're going to do....The Don't ask don't tell policy that was struck down by the courts was just reversed due to the Obama Administration petitioning the courts...Now why would someone want to not only go back on what they say they want, but ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING to go back on their word?...I can only think of two reasons:

1. Obama wants to pass it through Congress, and then take the credit for it.
or
2. He's lying.

Why in the FUCK would you turn your back on a large voting block like that when your approval rating is already in the toilet? And it is especially bizarre when all he had to do was NOTHING to make it happen...

It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
Translation : I was naive and somehow thought this one man could change
things that no man before could. I didn't want to deal with the reality
that each decision he made would be fought tooth and nail by the party
he defeated to be elected. I thought he was omni-powerful and would
never have to bend to congress just to get a fraction of his plans through
and don't consider that getting a percentage of what I wanted is still
better than getting nothing that I wanted.

So, because I'm disillusioned with the reality of American style government,
I will blame it on Obama so that I don't have to face my own reality that
I expected the world from one man when in fact no man will ever deliver
the world.

Ultimately I was as naive as a child but fuck admitting that, I'd rather
blame Obama.


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Yeah, you should leave those decisions up to the Republicans.

They'll take care of it for you.

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Who started Dont Ask Dont Tell? I am sure it was some super homophobic president. He was probably a super racist too.
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Ultimately I was as naive as a child but fuck admitting that, I'd rather
blame Obama.


The dems controled both houses WITH SUPER MAJORITY yet you are blaming the reps?

It was a complete failure in leadership, and who is the leader? The buck has to stop somewhere.

Just like it was Bush's fault that we went to two illegal wars (that congress half-assed voted for), it is just as much Obama's fault for not doing what he said he could get done, WITH SUPER MAJORITY.
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It would be unwise of him to act against the very military that he is in command of...don't you think?
doesn't sound like much of a command, huh?
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Well now son, lets see here. You're 18? Great! High school graduate? Fantastic. See you scored a 48 on your AFQT, you are going to have your choice of branch son! Whats this, you speak a second language? Outstanding soldier! You are just the kind of person this country needs! Just one final question...whats that, you like to have intercourse with men? Goddamnit, I didn't ask that! Get the hell out of my office...
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I'm voting for Sarah Palin. Leader of the Tea Party?
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Palin/God 2012
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No, YOU misunderstand the entire issue. It's slanted. The legal answer could be challenged, overturned, and thrown out causing a lot of trouble for the military and having to throw out all the gay soldiers. Many people were punished under DADT also. The best solution which they're trying for is having the military openly accept them.
accept who the people are who are willing to die in the line of duty?

that's preposterous
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Yeah, leader of the Tea Party.

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The dems controled both houses WITH SUPER MAJORITY yet you are blaming the reps?

It was a complete failure in leadership, and who is the leader? The buck has to stop somewhere.

Just like it was Bush's fault that we went to two illegal wars (that congress half-assed voted for), it is just as much Obama's fault for not doing what he said he could get done, WITH SUPER MAJORITY.
This vote illustrates the real problem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/29/us...9obama.html?hp

No GOP votes at all.

In a "real world" where congress members voted based on the plan instead
of voting by the party, one would expect Obama to not always get all
democrats to vote the same. And this happens, which means Obama cannot
get a majority when dems act like real officials should.

So with some dems refusing to play party politics while repubs play hardball
partisan politics, it is expected that Obama will sometimes not be able to
get all the votes he needs.

So that "WITH SUPER MAJORITY" issue assumes that our politicians
only vote along party lines and that's simply not the way this government
was ever meant to work.



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It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
Was DADT over skin color?


Seriously though, anyone that voted for Obama should have their voting rights revoked until 2016 or 2020. They are obviously irresponsible voters.
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No, YOU'RE wrong...There was no "automatic" appeal..It's a not a poker table set on autopilot...Somebody has to take action...
You don't understand anything about the courts if you think the feds would let a precedent like this be set. If they did, a right wing local judge could overturn Roe v Wade or some crazy shit like that. Like I said - I'm with you Brutha, I was pissed too - but I studied up.. Obama can't be faulted for this appeal - he CAN be faulted for not speaking up more vocally and explaining this appeal better.
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The ONLY thing I really hate is when someone doesn't do what they SAY they're going to do....The Don't ask don't tell policy that was struck down by the courts was just reversed due to the Obama Administration petitioning the courts...Now why would someone want to not only go back on what they say they want, but ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING to go back on their word?...I can only think of two reasons:

1. Obama wants to pass it through Congress, and then take the credit for it.
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Why in the FUCK would you turn your back on a large voting block like that when your approval rating is already in the toilet? And it is especially bizarre when all he had to do was NOTHING to make it happen...

It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
Its much simpler than that...

He is after all a "Christian by choice". We know they are all against homosexuality!
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Us gays expected this .. he will loose votes but mainly cause he is known as President do nothing. He talks a great game, and than does nothing. Didn't overturn DADT, DOMA, etc. Promises and promises all empty
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Us gays expected this .. he will loose votes but mainly cause he is known as President do nothing. He talks a great game, and than does nothing. Didn't overturn DADT, DOMA, etc. Promises and promises all empty
You might like this article.

The public panned it. Republicans obstructed it. Many Democrats fled from it.

Even so, the session of Congress now drawing to a close was the most productive in nearly half a century.

Not since the explosive years of the civil rights movement and the hard-fought debut of government-supported health care for the elderly and poor have so many big things ? love them or hate them ? been done so quickly.

Gridlock? It may feel that way. But that's not the story of the 111th Congress ? not the story history will remember.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_prolific_congress
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You might like this article.

The public panned it. Republicans obstructed it. Many Democrats fled from it.

Even so, the session of Congress now drawing to a close was the most productive in nearly half a century.

Not since the explosive years of the civil rights movement and the hard-fought debut of government-supported health care for the elderly and poor have so many big things ? love them or hate them ? been done so quickly.

Gridlock? It may feel that way. But that's not the story of the 111th Congress ? not the story history will remember.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_prolific_congress
Yeah I saw that, good article. And it is a good point he did make gay bashing a federal crime. But this DADT back and forth makes everyone forget.
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Its much simpler than that...

He is after all a "Christian by choice". We know they are all against homosexuality!
On another note..who is the hottie in your icon.. YUMM
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The ONLY thing I really hate is when someone doesn't do what they SAY they're going to do....The Don't ask don't tell policy that was struck down by the courts was just reversed due to the Obama Administration petitioning the courts...Now why would someone want to not only go back on what they say they want, but ACTIVELY DO SOMETHING to go back on their word?...I can only think of two reasons:

1. Obama wants to pass it through Congress, and then take the credit for it.
or
2. He's lying.

Why in the FUCK would you turn your back on a large voting block like that when your approval rating is already in the toilet? And it is especially bizarre when all he had to do was NOTHING to make it happen...

It's over after this....there aren't enough niggas in America to carry him through the next election...It's over....I've never been actually pissed off about anything Obama did until today.
Let me get this straight, out of every fuckup Obama has been responsible for, for the better part of 2 years, you think DADT will make or break his re-election? Are you braindead or just retardedly emotional?
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Who started Dont Ask Dont Tell? I am sure it was some super homophobic president. He was probably a super racist too.
That would be Bill Clinton, a Democrat

And sortie is a moron.

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that's preposterous
Yeah, thats why they do it, send me to whatever branch that lets me shower with 40 women nightly and i'm there and I wont complain about a damn thing while I'll claim to be there wanting to die for my country.
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Yeah, thats why they do it, send me to whatever branch that lets me shower with 40 women nightly and i'm there and I wont complain about a damn thing while I'll claim to be there wanting to die for my country.
Yeah all gays who join the military wanna peak at guys in the showers.. Do you really think that? I was in the military and not one of the chicks in my unit was worth peaking at! BTW there are better ways to sneak a peak or get laid than join the military ..
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:52 PM   #40
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Yeah all gays who join the military wanna peak at guys in the showers.. Do you really think that? I was in the military and not one of the chicks in my unit was worth peaking at! BTW there are better ways to sneak a peak or get laid than join the military ..
I love the generalizations. It's always "all" or "none". You're right Holly, using your logic, "all" homosexuals are able soldiers willing to die for their country.
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I love the generalizations. It's always "all" or "none". You're right Holly, using your logic, "all" homosexuals are able soldiers willing to die for their country.
My logic was to poke fun at his generalization.. get it? most people join to learn a trade, pay for school or etc.. except for gays according to him
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Let me get this straight, out of every fuckup Obama has been responsible for, for the better part of 2 years, you think DADT will make or break his re-election? Are you braindead or just retardedly emotional?
Yeah I agree with The Demon, I don't think DADT will make to much of difference if any.. there are more religious rights out there and they will love this!
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You might like this article.

The public panned it. Republicans obstructed it. Many Democrats fled from it.

Even so, the session of Congress now drawing to a close was the most productive in nearly half a century.

Not since the explosive years of the civil rights movement and the hard-fought debut of government-supported health care for the elderly and poor have so many big things ? love them or hate them ? been done so quickly.

Gridlock? It may feel that way. But that's not the story of the 111th Congress ? not the story history will remember.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_prolific_congress
Yet no one in Congress is commenting on what they did in their campaign speeches for the mid terms, LMAO
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You know, I would really like to approve of something that Obama is doing, just one thing, is that too much to ask for?
Why can't gays serve in the military? It's not like they aren't already there! First openly gay person I ever met was in the Navy, we're still friends, that was 1981
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Yeah I agree with The Demon, I don't think DADT will make to much of difference if any.. there are more religious rights out there and they will love this!
I happen to be the "religious right", but I also disagree with homosexuality for practical purposes, not religious ones because that's not my place, and I'm in favor of "traditional families". One would have to be a moron to claim homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. However, I would support equal rights for homosexuals in terms of civil partnerships, not marriages. If they gave homosexuals the rights in partnerships that heterosexual couples have in marriages, the whole "marriage" talk can die down.

Also, I don't oppose DADT but at the same time I give credit to anyone who wants to fight for their country, regardless of their sexual orientation. But you have to understand that it is up to the soldiers that are currently fighting. If they genuinely feel insecure around homosexuals (and that's fine), then the policy shouldn't change. If the policy WERE to change, then drill sergeants would need to be more strict with who they allow, and that's capable soldiers.
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Yet no one in Congress is commenting on what they did in their campaign speeches for the mid terms, LMAO
That's why it said "Many Democrats fled from it."
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I happen to be the "religious right", but I also disagree with homosexuality for practical purposes, not religious ones because that's not my place, and I'm in favor of "traditional families". One would have to be a moron to claim homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. However, I would support equal rights for homosexuals in terms of civil partnerships, not marriages. If they gave homosexuals the rights in partnerships that heterosexual couples have in marriages, the whole "marriage" talk can die down.

Also, I don't oppose DADT but at the same time I give credit to anyone who wants to fight for their country, regardless of their sexual orientation. But you have to understand that it is up to the soldiers that are currently fighting. If they genuinely feel insecure around homosexuals (and that's fine), then the policy shouldn't change. If the policy WERE to change, then drill sergeants would need to be more strict with who they allow, and that's capable soldiers.
Maybe we could segregate them for you in public pools, gyms, and in schools of course. We don't want our children showering or changing in front of any homosexuals.
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That's why it said "Many Democrats fled from it."
thats because there's a big difference between doing a lot of good and doing a lot of bad, this congress, blew almost a trillion dollars and passed a healthcare law that over 30 groups are exempt from, because it's so bad, and passed a budget with a deficit of 1.3 trillion dollars, I would run from it too!!!
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You know, I would really like to approve of something that Obama is doing, just one thing, is that too much to ask for?
Why can't gays serve in the military? It's not like they aren't already there! First openly gay person I ever met was in the Navy, we're still friends, that was 1981
Haha... heres one you should be proud of.

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I happen to be the "religious right", but I also disagree with homosexuality for practical purposes, not religious ones because that's not my place, and I'm in favor of "traditional families". One would have to be a moron to claim homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. However, I would support equal rights for homosexuals in terms of civil partnerships, not marriages. If they gave homosexuals the rights in partnerships that heterosexual couples have in marriages, the whole "marriage" talk can die down.

Also, I don't oppose DADT but at the same time I give credit to anyone who wants to fight for their country, regardless of their sexual orientation. But you have to understand that it is up to the soldiers that are currently fighting. If they genuinely feel insecure around homosexuals (and that's fine), then the policy shouldn't change. If the policy WERE to change, then drill sergeants would need to be more strict with who they allow, and that's capable soldiers.
Hate to say it but there are already so many gays serving .. So they will feel insecure even with the law in tact.. the law does nothing to protect anyone.

Also I guess I am a moron I was born gay so to me it is natural.. Why can't we have marriage when you can marry on tv for entertainment purposes or in Vegas for 24 hours .. marriage by no means what it used to heteros have destroyed that
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