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StuartD · 10-05-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Stuart, I'm honestly curious to know how you'd feel if you found out that one of the legals installs that P2PAds helps spread was swapping out ref codes, forcibly changing home pages and performing other legal but malicious activities. And how would you feel if such activities were responsible for you losing sales?

I'm asking this not as an accusation, because no one has posted any proof that any of the installs that P2PAds distributes are malicious. I'm asking this as a fellow webmaster, one who respects your opinion and one who respects Mark, GTS and P2PAds.

It would seriously suck, and wouldn't be allowed. That's why the question was asked.... did Missie or Will76 actually come into contact with a file through the p2pads network that does this. Because if so, we'd love to know about it so that the files can be removed at the source and the sale to the company terminated.

It's not acceptable. It's a horrible business practice.... and won't be tolerated.

But no such file has been presented as of yet. So therefore we have nothing to go on except "imagine if."

I would personally be in the office kicking Mark's ass if he allowed such practices to go on because anyone who knows me, knows that I will have absolutely nothing to do with it. I will not condone that kind of activity no matter what. Infact, my resignation wouldn't be far behind the ass kicking (actually, he's been to the gym more than me, I'd likely get my own ass kicked).

But the point is, I take this crap seriously because the one thing I've become best known for by many in this industry is my integrity. The fact that people would blindly lump all software into the same pile is pretty naive. And I really don't appreciated being labeled anything based on assumption.

The only thing I've been asking in this thread is that people open their list of possibilities to the notion that perhaps not every site has a popup, that not ever file has a spyware embedded, that not everything in a p2p network is harmful.. and that not everyone who says "hit me up" is instantly trying to cheat everyone he does business with. Think about it. Selling traffic to a cheater or to a reputable business... it's sold at the same price. Except there's risk with one and not the other. Why take that risk?

will76 · 10-05-2006, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieRye

Will76 / Missie, did you download and install spyware from a p2p network and assume that we were distributing it?

I'm just curious if you have a personal issue here or if you're just fighting the good fight?

I wouldn't even know you support installs if DH wouldn't have publicly announced it.

Everything I have posted has also been said by DH, except for a few questions I have asked him which he refused to answer. So whats the problem, he supports installs, and as long as its legal we can all fuck ourselves. Those are his words not mine, and there is more then just Me and Missie here who have a problem with this.

RobbieRye · 10-05-2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I wouldn't even know you support installs if DH wouldn't have publicly announced it.

Everything I have posted has also been said by DH, except for a few questions I have asked him which he refused to answer. So whats the problem, he supports installs, and as long as its legal we can all fuck ourselves. Those are his words not mine, and there is more then just Me and Missie here who have a problem with this.

Thanks for answering this Will.

Have you been to AdTech? Do you know that there are reputable companies who would like traffic directed to a program that (after disclosure and acceptance) would like to install software?

There is a difference between an installer and spyware.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker

just my 2 cents.. there is no such thing as a legit install.

if i was ever a target of someone trying divert traffic away from my company from a "legit install" i would definatley seek immediate legal action against ALL, and WHOMEVER was/is involved. I would spend my last dollar going after them even if it meant recouping nothing at all.
Duke

i am going to have to start sending some traffic to you guys. I wish all affiliate companies had that same atitude. Hell, we can't even get the companies that post here ALL the time to even respond if they support it or not.

But they are here spaming their program and starting contest threads... I am starting to think more and more that these affiliate companies sit back and laugh at all of their affiliates. Here we are asking for answers and they are silent, but hey i see their contest threads all of the place.

TampaToker · 10-05-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Say the company is operating legally but doing something malicious, like swapping ref codes. Would you accept them as a client knowing that the product you were pushing did this? And if you didn't know that the product did this, but later found out that it did (with hard evidence), would you continue to accept their business?

You know whats funny about this whole thing is? The p2p bearshare for one has zango bundled that is hijacking the afilliates id is the same client people are useing to download the videos that he is selling the p2p traffic to the afilliates. Now if anything he should be pissed about this.

So just wtf is going on here? Also i have not seen one sponsor mentioned in all of this comment at all. Look at this shit below. For less then 3 cents your hard earned sale is goign to some low life and you are geting fucked

jimthefiend · 10-05-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

and there is more then just Me and Missie here who have a problem with this.

And most of them are broke dick, short sighted, clueless idiots. (With bad grammar)

QuaWee · 10-05-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

You know whats funny about this whole thing is? The p2p bearshare for one has zango bundled that is hijacking the afilliates id is the same client people are useing to download the videos that he is selling the p2p traffic to the afilliates. Now if anything he should be pissed about this.

So just wtf is going on here? Also i have not seen one sponsor mentioned in all of this comment at all. Look at this shit below. For less then 3 cents your hard earned sale is goign to some low life and you are geting fucked

Where is that screenshot from?

StuartD · 10-05-2006, 07:07 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware

It's funny that if they're all the same thing, that they'd all have different wikipedia entries.... which, for some strange reason, have very little to do with each other.

It's been said a few times in this thread that people just call them the same thing now. Well, no. You people call them the same thing now.

And there in lies the problem.

Yes, there is some adware out there that has spyware. Yes, there are some installers out there that have spyware. Do they ALL have spyware?!?!?!

Will? Missie? Do they ALL have spyware? Do they ALL rewrite ref codes?!?! A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

It would seriously suck, and wouldn't be allowed. That's why the question was asked.... did Missie or Will76 actually come into contact with a file through the p2pads network that does this. Because if so, we'd love to know about it so that the files can be removed at the source and the sale to the company terminated.

It's not acceptable. It's a horrible business practice.... and won't be tolerated.

But no such file has been presented as of yet. So therefore we have nothing to go on except "imagine if."

I would personally be in the office kicking Mark's ass if he allowed such practices to go on because anyone who knows me, knows that I will have absolutely nothing to do with it. I will not condone that kind of activity no matter what. Infact, my resignation wouldn't be far behind the ass kicking (actually, he's been to the gym more than me, I'd likely get my own ass kicked).

But the point is, I take this crap seriously because the one thing I've become best known for by many in this industry is my integrity. The fact that people would blindly lump all software into the same pile is pretty naive. And I really don't appreciated being labeled anything based on assumption.

The only thing I've been asking in this thread is that people open their list of possibilities to the notion that perhaps not every site has a popup, that not ever file has a spyware embedded, that not everything in a p2p network is harmful.. and that not everyone who says "hit me up" is instantly trying to cheat everyone he does business with. Think about it. Selling traffic to a cheater or to a reputable business... it's sold at the same price. Except there's risk with one and not the other. Why take that risk?

You see, now this is how grown adults converse. I asked you an honest, straightforward question, and you replied with an honest, straightforward answer. No accusations, no namecalling, no wisecracks on either side.

I appreciate your answer, Stuart, and I respect your stance. My respect for you stems from, amongst other things, your integrity in this business (like you said).

I agree with you that not all installs are malicious. Sure, some may be annoying as shit, but if they're opt-in, then the surfer is the only one to blame. And until some can provide real proof otherwise, then I have no reason to believe P2PAds spreads malicious installs.

Solid Bob · 10-05-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

And most of them are broke dick, short sighted, clueless idiots. (With bad grammar)

Come on now jim, spyware might explain why you have never successfully sent an affiliate sale to any company ever.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieRye

Oh ok - sorry for the confusion - with the title of this thread and a few of the comments, I guess I just figured.

Glad we're on the same side of this Missie.

Robbie you need to slow down and actually read what has been posted.

What is wrong with the title of this thread, it is 100% correct isn't it. If it is not then DH is lieing.

I think the biggest problem here is DH's arrogance and his statements that he will do anything "legal" to make money even if that is installs. He tries to laugh it off and has the " go fuckyourself " attitude. Now when asked which installers he uses, he will not name any. hmmm so no wonder people are thinking here.

You should be more worried about what he is saying not what I am saying...

and then you may find the root of the problem.

EDIT:

I forgot.. and " fuck the haters!"

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:12 PM

will76, there's nothing shady about not disclosing the names of your private clients. In fact, it's common practice in business.

jimthefiend · 10-05-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Come on now jim, spyware might explain why you have never successfully sent an affiliate sale to any company ever.

Any other COMPLETE bullshit you care to spew my way before I go to bed?

God you're an idiot.

QuaWee · 10-05-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Bob

Come on now jim, spyware might explain why you have never successfully sent an affiliate sale to any company ever.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbieRye

I don't mean to cloud the issue here Missie. It's just that Duke commented that there isn't a difference between directing traffic to a program that installs and spyware. Brining a reputable product like the google toolbar into this hopefully shows that a company can direct traffic at a product that doesn't harm people.

ok so google is good. Do you sell traffic to google for installs ? doubt. ok so which installers do you sell traffic to ? why the secrecy ?

RobbieRye · 10-05-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

ok so google is good. Do you sell traffic to google for installs ? doubt. ok so which installers do you sell traffic to ? why the secrecy ?

Will, I'm sorry. I'm tired and I'm going to bed.

But we just don't disclose our customer list. It's a matter of privacy, not of secrecy. We represent some very large customers both in adult and non-adult.

Right now (10:19pm Thursday e.s.t.), none of our customers are using our network to push traffic directly to any software program.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent White

A question:

Lets say an installer changes affiliate codes, and credits whoever consigned the install software. This of course, is detrimental to affiliates, having a smaller impact on cash programs other than those affiliates not promoting them anymore.

Let's take it one step further:

Let's say I have my own cash program. What is preventing me from having an installer change an entire signup link to my cash program's signup page?

For instance:

If my cash program is www.agentcash.com"

What is preventing me from having the installer change
http://signups.nastydollars.com/?revcode=ffmovies

to:
http://signups.agentcash.com/?revcode=agent

... thereby robbing nastydollars of a signup?

as I posted in my other threads:
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=662460
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=661879

It is a big circle jerk, someone using the same spyware such as zango could have someone bid on the keyword " nastydollars.com" and make it display a agentcash page and someone else can bid on the keyword agentcash.com and have a nastydollars page displayed.

The only people that do not lose is the spyware and the people paying them for traffic. The affiliates of both of those companies lose to the affiliates paying the spyware to set their cookies and take the traffic / sale away from the real FUCKING person who sent the surfer to those sites and paid for the FUCKING traffic. The sponsors lose because they lose the sales that they should have made 100% on like type in traffic, now they have to pay some fucking spyware "advertiser" the commission because he hijacked even their own sales. I doubt any one company really gains from this, they take some from here, lose some to there.etc...

TampaToker · 10-05-2006, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaWee

Where is that screenshot from?

That screenshot is from metricsdirect backend were you can bid on URL'S and keywords. They sell the advertiseing for zango. Now here is a screen shot of me clicking a link from my site with my afilliate code to cams.com on a cpu that has the zango toolbar installed. about 5 seconds after cams.com load a popup widow appears with this add. Well guess what my fuckin cookie is gone now and this asswipe has my surfer now.

Click the image a few times to make it bigger

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Interesting comment from another adware guy

"they bitch about sponsors doing installs and cross sells, but if the sponsors stopped and then had to lower payout $5 , they would cry about that"

DH

Oh, this most be from your retard imaginary friend. how many spyware friends do you have that are all too chicken shit to post here. Seems to be a pattern here, spyware guys = chicken shit.

So if sponsors stopped spyware why would they have to lower payouts... please explain this one i can't wait to hear this explanation.

is it perhaps because some sponsors are using spyware with their own affiliate code as a way to shave their affiliates ?

please educate us sig whores how sponsors using spyware allows them to pay us more referral money...

Solid Bob · 10-05-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaWee

I should have been fair, he did send 2 sales to ifriends but he never got a check.

QuaWee · 10-05-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

That screenshot is from metricsdirect backend were you can bid on URL'S and keywords. They sell the advertiseing for zango. Now here is a screen shot of me clicking a link from my site with my afilliate code to cams.com on a cpu that has the zango toolbar installed. about 5 seconds after cams.com load a popup widow appears with this add. Well guess what my fuckin cookie is gone now and this asswipe has my surfer now.

Click the image a few times to make it bigger

wow, thanks that's crazy. I never knew something like that existed.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Oh, this most be from your retard imaginary friend. how many spyware friends do you have that are all too chicken shit to post here. Seems to be a pattern here, spyware guys = chicken shit.

So if sponsors stopped spyware why would they have to lower payouts... please explain this one i can't wait to hear this explanation.

is it perhaps because some sponsors are using spyware with their own affiliate code as a way to shave their affiliates ?

please educate us sig whores how sponsors using spyware allows them to pay us more referral money...

PPS programs generate additional income via installs, cross sales, exit consoles, upsells, etc. Such "extras" allow then to pay out higher amounts. If they reduced their income, they'd likely reduce their payouts as well.

DH's anonymous friend is commenting on the fact that a lot of webmasters bitch about sponsors using such things, yet they'd also bitch if sponsors were to stop using such things and pay out less as a consequence.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

DH will own you Will.

go back to the playground. we are talking about serious stuff here.

Solid Bob · 10-05-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

PPS programs generate additional income via installs, cross sales, exit consoles, upsells, etc. Such "extras" allow then to pay out higher amounts. If they reduced their income, they'd likely reduce their payouts as well.

DH's anonymous friend is commenting on the fact that a lot of webmasters bitch about sponsors using such things, yet they'd also bitch if sponsors were to stop using such things and pay out less as a consequence.

DH's "friend" is retarded. If a sponsor makes $5000 / month extra from installs but ends up paying $6000 in extra commissions from type ins that got redirected through an affiliate code from the same or similar crapware he will gain money by killing it all together and can raise payouts.

jimthefiend · 10-05-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

go back to the playground. we are talking about serious stuff here.

He'll still own you dude.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

I just made a great analogy of this thread

"It's like a hippy tree hugger shooting a gas attendent because he fuels up a hummer!"

LOL!

DH

about the only thing you got right there is that i own a hummer.

pocketkangaroo · 10-05-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Another message from another adware guy (who also is another big poster on this board coincedently)

"hehehehe, i love these holier than thou webmasters pushing porn trying to tell people how what you're doing is wrong, booo hoo...."

DH

It's a fucking moronic statement. That's like saying "if you aren't selling crack, you're just small time". Some people prefer to keep their business legal and not play around with that stuff. Some people also have moral and ethical standards.

To say someone is small time nobody because they choose not to install malware is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not going to lay into people for doing it, it's their business, but to say that unless you are doing it, you aren't "big time" is just a joke.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Bob

DH's "friend" is retarded. If a sponsor makes $5000 / month extra from installs but ends up paying $6000 in extra commissions from type ins that got redirected through an affiliate code from the same or similar crapware he will gain money by killing it all together and can raise payouts.

Umm... if a program is paying $6000 in extra commissions, then they're making even more money. An affiliate program only pays out when a sale is made. And if sales are being made, then the program is making a profit. So $6000 in extra commissions means over $6000 in extra gross profit.

You're also working with the assumption that the theoretical installs the theoretical program is pushing are malicious.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Another great comment from ICQ

"what i think is nuts is this will76 guy who's bills himself as an affiliate extraordinaire is just finding out about this now? welcome to 3 years ago..."

DH

yeap i admit, this was the first time i was dumb enough to allow spyware on my pc for me to find out about this happening...

btw, is that an admission of guilt that you have been doing this for 3 years ?

Missie · 10-05-2006, 07:45 PM

I think we're all wasting our time here. I'm sure DH is not nearly as dumb as he tries to come across. He keeps posting ICQ messages from his "adware friends". Who is he selling his traffic to? He knows exactly what he's doing it, what THEY are doing.

Sounds to me like he's been trained by the Spin team of 180solutions because he sounds just like them.

You tell me it's legal, there's no law against it (yet), I know it's unethical, I know it may or may not be an illegal install, I know it can help steal commissions, but there's still nothing that says it's illegal. However, if you ever get caught, I will play the victim, deny everything and claim and scream at the top of my lungs I didn't know about it.

Total waste of time.

Missie

Solid Bob · 10-05-2006, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

Umm... if a program is paying $6000 in extra commissions, then they're making even more money. An affiliate program only pays out when a sale is made. And if sales are being made, then the program is making a profit. So $6000 in extra commissions means over $6000 in extra gross profit.

You're also working with the assumption that the theoretical installs the theoretical program is pushing are malicious.

You totally didn't understand the statement so I'll give you a few to read over it again.

TampaToker · 10-05-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaWee

wow, thanks that's crazy. I never knew something like that existed.

And its just not zango there are a tons more out there . Now first thing tommorw moring i will be on the phone with cams.com thats for sure

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

It would seriously suck, and wouldn't be allowed. That's why the question was asked.... did Missie or Will76 actually come into contact with a file through the p2pads network that does this. Because if so, we'd love to know about it so that the files can be removed at the source and the sale to the company terminated.

It's not acceptable. It's a horrible business practice.... and won't be tolerated.

But no such file has been presented as of yet. So therefore we have nothing to go on except "imagine if."

I would personally be in the office kicking Mark's ass if he allowed such practices to go on because anyone who knows me, knows that I will have absolutely nothing to do with it. I will not condone that kind of activity no matter what. Infact, my resignation wouldn't be far behind the ass kicking (actually, he's been to the gym more than me, I'd likely get my own ass kicked).

Is that a press release for P2PADS?

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Originally Posted by StuartD

But the point is, I take this crap seriously because the one thing I've become best known for by many in this industry is my integrity. The fact that people would blindly lump all software into the same pile is pretty naive. And I really don't appreciated being labeled anything based on assumption.

The only thing I've been asking in this thread is that people open their list of possibilities to the notion that perhaps not every site has a popup, that not ever file has a spyware embedded, that not everything in a p2p network is harmful.. and that not everyone who says "hit me up" is instantly trying to cheat everyone he does business with. Think about it. Selling traffic to a cheater or to a reputable business... it's sold at the same price. Except there's risk with one and not the other. Why take that risk?

Look go back and start from the beginning, like i said I just posted what has already been posted by him and asked 1 main simple question, if you are sooo sure that you do not advertise spyware then why can't you tell us the name of the installers you sell traffic to ? Whats the big deal in that.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Bob

You totally didn't understand the statement so I'll give you a few to read over it again.

You're right. I missed the type-in part. I understand what you're saying now. You're still, however, working with the assumption that the install is malicious and content in biting the hand that feeds it.

QuaWee · 10-05-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaToker

And its just not zango there are a tons more out there . Now first thing tommorw moring i will be on the phone with cams.com thats for sure

Good luck

StuartD · 10-05-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

You tell me it's legal, there's no law against it (yet), I know it's unethical

"it"?? It what?!?!? What is this "it" you're talking about anyway???

Send me this file that is within the p2pads network that does this and I will personally post on every single board in the entire industry and boards in mainstream announcing that Mark is pushing "it".

Until this "it" is presented to us.... yes, this truly is a waste of time.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

Look go back and start from the beginning, like i said I just posted what has already been posted by him and asked 1 main simple question, if you are sooo sure that you do not advertise spyware then why can't you tell us the name of the installers you sell traffic to ? Whats the big deal in that.

A. They already said they don't sell traffic to any installers at the moment.
B. It's bad business practice to release the names of your clients without their consent.

If I called my local Best Buy and asked them for a list of the last fifty people to have bought a DVD burner, they'd hang up on me. If I called Verizon and asked them to name me some of their DSL subscribers, they'd hang up on me.

Hell, if I asked you to list me off affiliates (without their prior consent) who you've referred to Clickcash and assist with your Team Clickcash project, would you?

StuartD · 10-05-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

why can't you tell us the name of the installers you sell traffic to ? Whats the big deal in that.

Why can't I? This question has been answered many times in this thread. You just refuse to listen.

Privacy will not be sacrificed just to give you someone else to hate. Infact, privacy will not be sacrificed for anything to do with you nor anyone else for that matter.

Solid Bob · 10-05-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

You're right. I missed the type-in part. I understand what you're saying now. You're still, however, working with the assumption that the install is malicious and content in biting the hand that feeds it.

Sort of how his donkey "friend" assumed we don't understand how affiliate programs work and that they for sure aren't losing money by offering installs? The post was written that way to point out how idiotic the logic was.

Also, you can be 100% sure any installer friend isn't doing a clean install of anything. If some idiots surfer wants to download a toolbar that gives him popups of relevant ads nobody really cares. They would just come here and post how their shit works instead of sending insults for DH to post. The people this thread was targetting are the same ones taking offense to being called shady and winging insults about TGP submitting in basements. We know full well that program owners kiss their ass because they have all this amazing traffic but the program owners don't look into it enough to see the negative side of it. If the program owners ever wake up every installing moron out there will be out of business and might have to revert back to making galleries in mommas basement themselves.

Missie · 10-05-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by StuartD

"it"?? It what?!?!? What is this "it" you're talking about anyway???

Send me this file that is within the p2pads network that does this and I will personally post on every single board in the entire industry and boards in mainstream announcing that Mark is pushing "it".

Until this "it" is presented to us.... yes, this truly is a waste of time.

Stuart, stop playing the dumbass because you proved with just ONE post that you could be an intelligent human being when you give yourself a chance. You don't approve of it but you sure defend it as hard as you can. So I know that you know exactly what "it" is and what I refer to.

You're right, this is a total waste of my time.

I'm going to concentrate on educating people who really don't know and really don't understand. I'm done playing this little game with you and your cohorts.

Good luck to you.

Missie

will76 · 10-05-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

will76, there's nothing shady about not disclosing the names of your private clients. In fact, it's common practice in business.

it sounded like to me that he sends traffic to 'installs" for himself as well, maybe i am mistaken.

he has made the comment, he will do it as long as it is legal. If you don't want to name the ones that you send your own traffic to or that you sell traffic to, can you just name 5 "adware" programs out there. Not google and shit, the ones that one of us could " possibly" buy traffic for.

StuartD · 10-05-2006, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

Stuart, stop playing the dumbass because you proved with just ONE post that you could be an intelligent human being when you give yourself a chance. You don't approve of it but you sure defend it as hard as you can. So I know that you know exactly what "it" is and what I refer to.

You're right, this is a total waste of my time.

I'm going to concentrate on educating people who really don't know and really don't understand. I'm done playing this little game with you and your cohorts.

Good luck to you.

Missie

Yes, I do know what "it" is. It's an assumption. An "imagine if."

As for what I defend... I defend a notion that perhaps something can be something other than what you assume it is without any facts what so ever.

Don't ask why I defend something, ask why you attack it so adamently.

KrisKross · 10-05-2006, 08:02 PM

I may be completely wrong here, but based on my understanding of how P2PAds works as well as what I've gleaned from the posts here, the companies running the installs pay P2PAds to distribute the installs themselves through P2P networks. I don't think Joe Webmaster is using P2PAds to send traffic to a page pushing the install.

Martin · 10-05-2006, 08:10 PM

Hey Mark, drop the shitty attitude bro. Seriously. The "Go build another ND gallery" comment you found so funny isn't something you should find that funny. Did you forget where you got your start? I remember. BTW this install crap. You can do better.

Peace

Dollarmansteve · 10-05-2006, 08:12 PM

This thread is hilarious.

All the people making noise in this thread are the same people who think any email sent on the internet is SPAM - and they are making money from neither legit mail or installs.

Everyone else is too busy with their JOB of MAKING MONEY.

And, as I've said before - everyone's ethics/morals are on a sliding scale - directly propotional to how much they are banking from the product.

will76 · 10-05-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KrisKross

PPS programs generate additional income via installs, cross sales, exit consoles, upsells, etc. Such "extras" allow then to pay out higher amounts. If they reduced their income, they'd likely reduce their payouts as well.

DH's anonymous friend is commenting on the fact that a lot of webmasters bitch about sponsors using such things, yet they'd also bitch if sponsors were to stop using such things and pay out less as a consequence.

I know you are coming in on the tail end of this but this is where we disagree.

Sure they make .40 or whatever on an exit page install, but once that pc is infected with that "adware" and if it acts anything like zango ads they will lose more money then they are making from the .40 per install.

If anyone on the infected computer EVER clicks on one of the sponsors adwords, paid advertising, type in traffic, etc.... the sponsor will not make 100% of the sale like they were suppose to do. The person who is bidding on that keyword and using a program like zango will get credit for the sale at the sponsor's expense. The sponsor still makes the sale, but they have to pay out on it. Figure that out vs. .40 an install and at best I think they are just chasing their tail.

Now, here are some side affects. The more computers these sponsors help infect they more they are helping to cheat their good affiliates out of sales, which the sales are being directed to the affiliates who are paying the spyware company to hijack cookies. The more the good affiliates lose in income and the worse their conversions get, the more they will lose these good affiliates because they "aren't making what they use to". A phase that is becoming more and more popular... I wonder why

Here is another side affect, knowing all of this (as many people are finding out about now) more and more affiliates will start dropping sponsors who support (and especially advertise) something that is directly affecting their income. So would it be more wise for them to stick with cross sales, and exit pages to other companies then worrying about making a couple cents an install... I think soo. and i fail to see how this makes them more money, if anything they would come out ahead if they didn't do it..

will76 · 10-05-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jimthefiend

He'll still own you dude.

you are right, he will own me just like everyone else you think will own me, and i think you even said you will own me... which is kinda funny since i make what 10 - 20x more then you?

anyway James, if you think that more power to you. I have more important things to deal with, If you want to make little comments, have fun. I am not going to play with you any more. good night.

GTS Mark · 10-05-2006, 08:16 PM

Hey Will76, why don't you tell me your sponsors, how much money you're making, where you live, where your office is located (if not out of your mom's basement LOL). I'm also going to need your last 3 years tax returns, your GF or BF's home address and your social insurance number.

Hmmm don't feel like giving me that stuff? Well I don't really feel like giving up my client list. It's not fair to them and it's not how business is conducted...

Obviously you're just some silly ass webmaster who never got into the world of real business or you would'nt even have to ask.

DH

P.S. You're also a pussy for not replying to me icqing you.

WiredGuy · 10-05-2006, 08:17 PM

Hey DH, we still on for the cottage this weekend? If so, email me when, where and how much to bring for the casino, lol.
WG

GTS Mark · 10-05-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

it sounded like to me that he sends traffic to 'installs" for himself as well, maybe i am mistaken.
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We have NEVER done any installs on an affiliate basis, only pre-paid deals for legal adware companies.

Not that is much of your business but anyways.

DH

10-05-2006, 07:07 PM	#158
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyware http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adware It's funny that if they're all the same thing, that they'd all have different wikipedia entries.... which, for some strange reason, have very little to do with each other. It's been said a few times in this thread that people just call them the same thing now. Well, no. You people call them the same thing now. And there in lies the problem. Yes, there is some adware out there that has spyware. Yes, there are some installers out there that have spyware. Do they ALL have spyware?!?!?! Will? Missie? Do they ALL have spyware? Do they ALL rewrite ref codes?!?! A simple yes or no answer will suffice. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

10-05-2006, 07:12 PM	#162
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,023	will76, there's nothing shady about not disclosing the names of your private clients. In fact, it's common practice in business. __________________

10-05-2006, 07:45 PM	#180
Missie Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 372	I think we're all wasting our time here. I'm sure DH is not nearly as dumb as he tries to come across. He keeps posting ICQ messages from his "adware friends". Who is he selling his traffic to? He knows exactly what he's doing it, what THEY are doing. Sounds to me like he's been trained by the Spin team of 180solutions because he sounds just like them. You tell me it's legal, there's no law against it (yet), I know it's unethical, I know it may or may not be an illegal install, I know it can help steal commissions, but there's still nothing that says it's illegal. However, if you ever get caught, I will play the victim, deny everything and claim and scream at the top of my lungs I didn't know about it. Total waste of time. Missie __________________ Looking for a clean sponsor that won't steal from you?check them out here!

10-05-2006, 08:02 PM	#193
KrisKross Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 5,023	I may be completely wrong here, but based on my understanding of how P2PAds works as well as what I've gleaned from the posts here, the companies running the installs pay P2PAds to distribute the installs themselves through P2P networks. I don't think Joe Webmaster is using P2PAds to send traffic to a page pushing the install. __________________

10-05-2006, 08:10 PM	#194
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	Hey Mark, drop the shitty attitude bro. Seriously. The "Go build another ND gallery" comment you found so funny isn't something you should find that funny. Did you forget where you got your start? I remember. BTW this install crap. You can do better. Peace __________________

10-05-2006, 08:12 PM	#195
Dollarmansteve Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,849	This thread is hilarious. All the people making noise in this thread are the same people who think any email sent on the internet is SPAM - and they are making money from neither legit mail or installs. Everyone else is too busy with their JOB of MAKING MONEY. And, as I've said before - everyone's ethics/morals are on a sliding scale - directly propotional to how much they are banking from the product. __________________ I died.

10-05-2006, 08:16 PM	#198
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Hey Will76, why don't you tell me your sponsors, how much money you're making, where you live, where your office is located (if not out of your mom's basement LOL). I'm also going to need your last 3 years tax returns, your GF or BF's home address and your social insurance number. Hmmm don't feel like giving me that stuff? Well I don't really feel like giving up my client list. It's not fair to them and it's not how business is conducted... Obviously you're just some silly ass webmaster who never got into the world of real business or you would'nt even have to ask. DH P.S. You're also a pussy for not replying to me icqing you.

10-05-2006, 08:17 PM	#199
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,457	Hey DH, we still on for the cottage this weekend? If so, email me when, where and how much to bring for the casino, lol. WG __________________ I play with Google.