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No. I mean being at the start of the buying process and you use Internet Marketing in all of it's various forms to do that. There's a reason classified ads in paper newspapers disappeared.


Completely missing the points made in previous posts and going off on an incoherent tangent.


Most people undertaking the process of buying something use the Internet to start that process. That's fact, supported by research. You obviously read nothing in the link I posted earlier.

We won't be selling ad space on Node.XXX. Not now, not ever. It's not our model.

We don't need anywhere near that number to make a substantial profit. We're already receiving income from sales on the site and while it's not profitable yet (may not be for a year or more), it's exceeding our expectations for two weeks in.

Barry-xlovecam

Use magic links?

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Barry-xlovecam

The majority of non-everyday purchases (excluding groceries, beer [every day items]) are researched on the internet -- search engines are the primary first source -- anybody in business knows that. Paul is out of business so his awareness is 1999 ...

How will you monetize? Paid inclusion or by some other way. AdWords has made Google what it is today ...

AdultKing

We'll be monetizing via the ads, but we won't be selling ad space. All ads will be to affiliate offers of our choosing - eventually contextually chosen according to search intent.

Barry-xlovecam

That is an interesting way to monetize and at a low development cost.

Paul Markham

Of course. Do real reviews of the product, keep the quantity, quality, aspects you have now. Just review the porn as porn and it's porn quality. Muck like a restaurant, film, play critic would. So the surfer lands on a site pre-sold or doesn't go there because it's not worth it.

If you over sell a product, the consumer loses trust in you.

There's no excuse for not knowing the niche, especially the "Someone will like it" crap. Losing the trust of 100, because 1 liked it. Is bad business.

Your site was very good compared to others. It converted well. Remember the basics. Whan a surfer lands on a site, the "Internet is different" garbage goes out of the window. It's a person looking at a product and thinking "Is this worth looking at". More on that in the next post.

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Paul Markham

The science of getting traffic online has two main sectors. Buy it or get it free. Buying it is too expensive for most in online porn because their product isn't good enough. Or they're start up and can't afford it.

Free needs skills and a lot of hard work. SEO is a skill highly prized, the top guys want paying for it and I know nothing about SEO. The hard work element always struck me as too much work for too little money. Unless they own a site like The Hun.

The Hun proves my point that all the webmaster bullshit being thrown out here stops the moment a surfer lands on a site. He likes it or doesn't. He stays and takes in what's before him or he leaves.

AK puts it beautifully.

And when the surfer lands on the site he will be expecting it to be great. If he's not immediately impressed he's off. If you don't deliver what he wants, he's not coming back.

Which in layman's terms means the site that converts the best.

There nothing else you can do. Your "Internet is different " bullshit flies out the window. It's a human with human traits and desires. You deliver the goods or he goes.

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Paul Markham

What do you mean by "The start of the process?

When he logs on, gets the urge to jerk off, or after that when he's looking for as earch engine that only does porn, or on a porn site?

The quality iof the product is the point of how youmake money. Tubes make money because of the quality of their product.

Not porn. Unless you think the millions jerking off are researching.

Affiliate links to the best selling sites then. Small difference still based on the quality of your site to find what they want and the paysites ability to convert it. I see you're sending traffic to free tubes. Do any of those sites have pirated porn on and are they affiliate links?

Sorry my mistake, I changed it from 200,000 to a million as a target.

You didn't answer the question that I asked at the beginning. How will you get traffic or what do you call the "start of the process?

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Paul Markham

Do you have any stats on how many men are researching porn with the Kleenex in one hand and their dick in the other?

And that hasn't changed from 1966 to 2016. You have to have never been in the business if you think jerking off is researching on the internet.

Still proves my point about the content has to be better than the rest.

What you guys will never get is we deliver jerk off material and jerking off hasn't changed for 500,000 years. You deliver the same product, sexual stimuli. All your webmaster bullshit stops dead the moment the surfer lands on a pornsite. He's looking at pictures and videos and deciding to rub one out then or move onto the next site. The Internet hasn't changed that. Instead of mags and a TV, it's screen. And all your "Internet" bullshit is dead.

Yes, you can sell more by driving more traffic. But no one is going to work sending traffic to a badly converting site. Except the site owner and he could be better off sending the same traffic to another site. The sites with the best product out perform the ones with the worse product. But listening to you guys that doesn't seem to matter because understanding how the Internet works is superior.

If you can point out how "understanding the Internet" works better than understanding the consumer and product. Speak up because until now, you have addressed that subject.

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Why do you encourage this man?

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Barry-xlovecam

I am sure you know a lot about wanking -- you most certainly have the experience of doing a lot mental masturbation anyway.

If your thinking was right only Ferrari, Rolls Royce (and the like) could sell autos yet millions of Toyotas are sold annually -- there is a seat for every ass -- yours probably goes on the bus.

Cheap fucks go to tubes and freemium webcam sites -- enjoy the traffic -- sell the ads.

You ever looked and the quality on these freemium websites? Truck stop women -- you could do better at a pet store with some noteworthy exceptions -- they stick around until they burn out or get a real job.

But they really need to be trained by the Great Paul Markham -- Look at that smile

Paul Markham

You really are clueless.

If Ferrari, Rolls Royce (and the like) were the price of a Toyota. Yes you would be right.

The rest is garbage and you're obviously not able to improve your product.

The Porn Nerd point out where I was wrong. I doubt if you're capable ofdoing so now I exploded the "Internet" angle.

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Paul Markham

The Internet doesn't change people's motivations, they still want the best they can afford or the best they don't have to pay for. This is why the top sites have often taken people from lesser sites. Google beat Yahoo, Facebook beat MySpace, Chaturbate is beating xlovecam.

They want the girl they think is the attractive to them, or the girl who's the most interesting. They want a review site they trust, AK is building a SE users can trust. Whether it is as good and the alternative as bad as he says, time will tell.

None of that has changed because the consumer is online and none of the webmasters flaming me are able to deny it. So making your product the best it can be is paramount, even before driving traffic. No one drives traffic to a crap site for very long.

AK, Barry, Porn Nerd are unable to do that. So try to distract viewers by slinging abuse. None are selling porn they produced or have control over the production. And that's vital if one wants to improve one's porn product. And here's where it gets tough for webmasters.

A content provider's job is about managing models who are all different people. Camera, lighting, focusing are dead easy compared to getting a model to work to her best and how you want her to. And producing a product that requires more personality than biology requires skills that no webmaster understands.

Especially those guys who think content producers have to shoot porn to fondle girls. Maybe they're thinking about their skills with the opposite sex.

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Barry-xlovecam

Lovely smile -- Paul

What you cannot get through your thick skull is that XloveCam can afford to buy the same junk traffic you will generate and spend damn next to nothing buying that cj.

Webcam sites do not need ''content producers'' we have 4000 of those with tits and ass that know how to use a webcam. The smart ones make good money with their tits and ass. They don't need your *services*. I don't need your *services*.

You should move to the Philippines and become a chat operator, sir.

Why don't you apply you ideas, bankroll them and ''deliver the goods?'' You never answer that one.

What is your excuse?

1. You don't have the money,
2. You are not sure enough of your idea to bankroll it yourself,
3. You just want to buffalo us into believing that you know what you are talking about?

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.

Paul Markham

Junk traffic to you is great traffic to others in the webcam business.

These are models and how you train and pesent them is essential if you want to monetize traffic the best way.

Why do you assume the Philippines is a place to get models?

Give me access to girls who can speak English and I will. There are lots of girls doing this already. I did it for years while in the UK.
Why don't you train the girls to be better cam models? You're in the business, have the models, have the money. Either you can't or your girls can't be trained.

As for buffaloing people. I did this for 30 years, I have no need to prove I can do it again. What do you think shooting porn requires, the ability to work a camera is easy.

OK a tiny lesson. Some girls can't do what I propose, those who can't speak English, are top of the list of those not to bother with. Those with little personality in front of a camera in a natural way are also non starters.

The top requirement for the person shooting or directing this style of content is the ability to see who can and who can't do the job. You can't as you're too negative or don't even realise girls who speak to the customer sell better than ones who can't.

Next step is to construct as profile with the girl of her life outside the webcam cubicle. Then start to shoot that, from interviews to selfies shot in her home, going to work, videos of her after a great day at work or after a great 1-1 session. This list is endless.

Soon she becomes more than a body doing a sex act. She's a person the customer knows, whales can fall in love with. This content goes to affiliates and usual promotional outlets. It's far better than a recording of her doing what's free on the site, tapping into a keyboard.

Of course the better looking the girl, the better she attracts the free part of your site, the better she converts.

Are are you going to say a better product converts worse, or a girl who surfers associate with converts less?

Or just own up to your model of webcams isn't as attractive as the one's that have girls doing this already?

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Barry-xlovecam

Thank you for answering that question in that wall of text

You buffaloed people for 30 years OK

#3 for the win
You just want to buffalo us into believing that you know what you are talking about?

HE ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION.

Give me access to you bank account and maybe I will give you access to my models (one of our primary assets). Paul I am not offering you a job.

You can work as a studio and/or an affiliate and will get no special treatment. You can always take your 30 years of experience and sell it to the highest bidder. I shan't be attending that auction

AdultKing

Hey Paul, got any advice for someone starting a new porn forum ? (asking for a friend)

AdultKing

Paul ? You ok there mate ? Hoping for an answer

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boredom i guess... and he seems to be enjoying himself

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AdultKing

Paul ? This was a legit question.

The Porn Nerd

OK so now I will ask you: Why do you encourage this man?

Paul knows zero about camsites yet he tries to tell someone making millions what they're doing wrong.

Paul failed as a webmaster so knows zero about how to sell or market his own shit.

The ONLY thing Paul is 'qualified' to pontificate on is content creation. But being a shooter, like with any 'artist', his perspective is completely subjective. "What gets my dick hard gets the customer's dick hard..." reveals this (limiting) perspective. The same could be said of shooters who film BBW midget interracial gangbangs. But FINDING those customers who, like you, also get their dick hard is the challenge.

Paul, I am a salesman. Also a lot of other things (video editor, webmaster, writer, etc etc). But when I do film my own content I make sure and hire the best possible Team I can find (and afford). But still, at the end of the day, it's all about the selling. How much MONEY you make from all this effort. THIS is the part you fail to realize or acknowledge because, to you, all this is nothing more than an intellectual exercise while for others, like myself, this is how we earn our living and feed our families. So if there is a problem or something isn't working I FIX IT. I don't endlessly debate the problem.

So how do I know if the "problem" or issue is "fixed"? When I start making more money, that's how.

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Bladewire

This thread has gone all over the place. Paul is a reminder of how things were in our business when pornographers made money, before we were hijacked by the thieves and the failed legal tube business model.

Thieves make money on advertising, redirects, etc. when the market is flooded with stolen content.

Pornographers & affiliates make money when R rated teaser content proliferates and the affiliate model is implemented.

Surfers think they are happier with the thieves model because it's free porn, not knowing the heavy price they're paying with viruses being installed on their computer, they are paying a heavy price in the end and have no idea, for the most part.

The good thing is the thieves are devouring themselves and the ones at the top are trying to turn legit, which will mean a meeting of the minds and concessions on the part of the pornographers left to forget the past and move forward in rebuilding the industry with what's left.

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Paul Markham

You posted this at 1 in the morning here. So not able to answer.

No advice, sorry not my field.

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Paul Markham

So stop selling just porn, sell the girl as a person rather than a body.

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Paul Markham

Because he's a troll.

You know nothing about porn and marketing.

I never tried to be a webmaster. A webmaster isn't a marketing man, that's what I was.

To produce porn one has to know what the consumer wants. Unless you thing people who produce anything or quality can do so with no knowledge of the consumer's needs.

No you're not a salesman, you're a webmaster who throws traffic at a site and hopes. Which with the product you have, is all you can do. Because sales are so low you can't afford to buy good content.

you will make more money if you have a better product, can afford to drop the revshare idea and able to see what consumers need.

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I wonder what would happen and come out if all of Paul Markham's posts were analyzed by Unsupervised machine learning.

I'll have to do that one of these days. Easy enough, I'll just run an sql query and then export all the filtered Paul Markham posts, then just throw it into Google cloud or some other machine learning service. lol

Paul Markham

The porn industry started to lose sales when TGPs started to give away free porn. It was the offline porn industry and no one online cared. I predicted when there were few offline customers left. The decline in sales would hit online porn. Add the factor of Tubes and the ability for a handful of companies to dominate the industry and the end result is obvious.

So sell something with more personality that will appeal to a sector of the porn market. Like VR it's success or failure relies on whether it will be given away for free. Webcams are pretty much immune to free. some are very keen to advertise on free sites.

If this were true, surfers wouldn't be bookmarking free sites.

That's a forlorn hope.

What I'm proposing is a proven sales method, it's used all the time. It's about selling the person rather than the porn act.

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The Porn Nerd

Paul please look at these sites:

Blowjob Utopia - www.BlowjobUtopia.com - Erotic Blowjob Videos
ErosExotica - Enter
Fellucia Blow - Welcome - Erotic Blowjob Videos
Welcome to LesLesbians!

I could go on but why bother? That's really shitty content, isn't it? All 4K, all filming new content this year.

YES I am a salesman and I do not just throw traffic at something and hope. I A-B test every aspect of everything and find what works best for MY traffic. Do you know what an A-B test IS Paul?

Many of my sites I own 100%, some I do revshare (as you wrongly call it) with producers. Believe me I can afford to buy whatever content I want. But I find, at the end of the day, if a producer already has produced something I think I can sell (yes SELL Paul) then I will take him on. I do not pass up good content when it is offered to me.

But again, why bother? LOL Rock on Paul, rock on.

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Paul Markham

None of the samples look HD let alone 4k. Compared with all the other blowjob sites, it's got nothing to commend it. Except the oldest site. As you have said content is my game and I'm telling you this as a guy with 50 years in the content business.

A-B testing has been around for a lot longer than you think. does one shop sell better than another, does one product sell better than another. A-B testing isn't sellinfg Do you know what selling is rather than taking orders? Because that's what your A-B testing does. Only one of the sites you showed are selling anything, no doubt if they get enough traffic they will take order.

Some you have to own, you've had them long enough. Of course if you see something at a low enough price that you think will make a profit. You will buy it.

You have said I should spend time being a webmaster selling my content on a paysite. So clearly as a skilled webmaster you should be able to get 100 joins from all the sites you could create from so much content.

But again, why bother? LOL Rock on Porn Nerd, rock on.

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Porn Nerds sites highlight the problem. Showing the same act that was done in 1960s porn in SD, HD, 4K is only impressive to webmasters. Because before long everyone has it and there's no difference in te new format.

It's just a girl sucking a cock or getting fucked. </end of selling>
What I'm proposing is very simple, proven, earning money and the new model.

Old model.





New model.







Look how freelance girls do it.



Whan the samples on a paysite are lower image quality, than free videos on Youtube, you have a problem.

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Paul Markham

There's no disputing that people will buy from people who look and talk to them easier than people who don't look and talk to them.

There's no disputing sex act only videos are saturated for free online. One anonymous girl sucking cock is like another anonymous girl sucking cock. Except in the skill level and that's not anything great.

Selling a girl sucking cock is like selling bags of oranges by the side of the road, with 100 other guys all offering bags of oranges. Orders taken rely on traffic passing and where you are in the line.

A naked girl selling oranges stands out until they're all naked girls of the same attractiveness. Offer them for free and the guys selling them are gone.

See a friend selling oranges and you will buy from him. This is why we were taught in selling to empathise with a customer, how we approached, looked at them, our appearance and the words we spoke.

Disputing the above proves you don't understand how to market or sell. Because there's nothing I said that's revolutionary, new or different from what all sales and marketing men are taught from day 1. Being online makes no difference to it.

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AdultKing

I guess in your day you had to learn fast, what girls could do the job, sold, what they were acceptable for, etc. You probably also had to learn the way to shoot pornography. A front cover for a magazine of DVD box cover would have been a demanding occupation.

Without the money shots, the video or set are not so valuable or worth less. The set or video had to comprise elements that are key. Regardless how good looking the girl was, she'd to invoke emotions in the viewer, besides the fact that she is merely another naked body doing porn.

As it's always been the traffic was there. The key was conversion and retention. Would the content please him enough to keep him purchasing that brand? We understand because some websites were streets ahead of the others this worked in pornography. Maybe they didn't convert so well for the person, they'd to be making lots of cash to run such an organisation. Even so, some affiliates declared blind micro niche sites that were barely making a profit converted.

Wouldn't you agree Paul ?

Barry-xlovecam

If your girls had 1,000 guys a day demanding that they spread their pussy wide or stick 3 fingers in their asshole with 50% or more of the these guys demanding that rudely -- what would you expect your girls to say?

I <3 U :KISS: :KISS:

Fuck no

PVT I do No Free!

You are soooo out of touch ...
These girls sometimes come to our support staff in tears from the abusive customer's requests -- sure they can ban and boot them from their chatroom but that dosen't make the tears go away sometimes.

Start a naked lonely hearts club website where only members that PAY are allowed to type and send chat

The Porn Nerd

Paul you are a clueless fuck. Seriously. How many joins do you think I do a day? LOL Man you are seriously clueless AND someone who just wants to argue and be right.

I can promise you that the sites I showed you make many joins a day EACH and I have over 80 paysites. I'd tell you to do the math but you probably can't do that, either.

Clueless, arrogant, stubborn and out of touch. Congratulations Paul!

('Taking orders' = MAKING SALES YOU MANIAC.)

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Paul Markham

Yes, there was no way anyone could afford to pay the costs while learning about porn.

Agreed. We didn't give away porn as if our life depended on it. So many could shoot a girl as another naked body doing porn. Free porn has changed that.

The "Update" situation was a new mag with 6-7 sets or a new DVD with 5-6 scenes. The better the dick raising quality, the better the retention of an audience. Tubes prove that not because of being free because their dick raising quality is higher than paysite. My point is they only give away the money shot scenes. Very few have scenes building a model's personality. Youtube is full of them. By building that side, you target a market thart wants more than any naked body doing a porn act.

With webcams, it's an essential part of the sale and the big spenders demand it as an essential.

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I have studied a lot of chats recently. Not seen much abuse so maybe you can show it to us. A link please.

However, it's easy to have a kill button for an abusive person. The support staff doing the translating could do it in a heartbeat. If it were such a big thing, would knowing the girl more add to the abuse or decrease it?

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Content mastered the sector. The more in amount and the better in quality ruled over sales and traffic. The problem was webmasters. They believed, or attempted to convince everyone, selling porn to men was a rough occupation.!!!!

They were pampered, overfed and cossetted. And to some point they multiplied like mice where most were scraping a living to doing OK. Cut all the support system and money, just the strong survive. How many surfers stays steady. Sales for those at and left, skyrocket 25% rev share those left make more. At 10% those left are earning a fortune.

Pay 50%, add all marketing and the support to affiliates. Then what's left for the product and profit = a merchandise that was shit.

Paul Markham

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Yes - that video made me MONEY Paul. LOL

That is a pure amateur clip (and no, that's not me; I took my dick and my own self-shot POV videos down long ago). Amateurs sell Paul or didn't you know that?

So my network of 80+ paysites runs the gamut from total amateurs (like the vid you posted) all the way to the highest end 4K content (which you could not tell was 4K).

And still you think I do what, 3 joins a day? Paul if HALF my paysites made just one sale a day (and many do many sales daily), how much money would that be?

Nevermind Paul, carry on. LOL

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Paul Markham

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#Tequilagold

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#FloridaS

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#DollOnFire

https://www.xlovecam.com/en/#MILFDelicious

Where's the abuse?

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AdultKing

When it comes to still photography there are some simple rules for good content.

There are 26 fundamental poses. Shoot them while the model is nude, undressing and dressed will give readily double the amount of shots to 52. Making 45 degrees turn will double it . Shooting a couple more will be added by some with half body. The shot going from side to side of his lights that are key add a couple more and will change the back ground. Actually firing a set of 200 distinct poses/pictures is not difficult knowing how.

So firing a set with exactly the same pose over and over again is inexperienced and unforgivable in the conditions of the shot not having a hint.

The poses are not same, the importance of variation is predominant.

That's the technical aspect of good still content.

Paul Markham

I lost count of the people who wanted me to sell them a product for 10% of its value. Claiming if they paid more they couldn't afford to "market" it. Which meant pay for anyone who bothered to sign up as an affiliate to give it away for free.

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Paul Markham

Nice copy of a post I made way back.

Now debate my point of webmasters being over pampered and dominating porn to the detriment of the industry and its income.

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AdultKing

Paysites need unique content. its always going to be low recurring when they see content from everywhere else

Paul Markham

Yes amateurs sell, do you know why amateur sell and why that scene doesn't sell well? As a content producer, I do.

Show 4k samples. And tell us what are the good points of the porn in the scene.

If your sites make 1 sale a day. You would be making $2,400 a day. And have a quality of content reflecting that level of income. You don't but keep dreaming.

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Barry-xlovecam

On Sunday at 18:00 CEDT ? LMFAO
Fucking Asshat

But TY for posting the Links