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Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 09:30 AM

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Paysites need unique content. its always going to be low recurring when they see content from everywhere else

Absolutely. But it has to be good unique content, bad unique content is still crap. The problem is in creating really unique content.

Changing the model, or setting, or clothing and retaining the same sex act. Isn't unique to the consumer, especially when every site does the same, it's just another version of the same scene.

When the need for different versions of the same scene and the income level for most sites, led to site paying 10% of the value of the product. Shooters who could earn 100% of the value. Turned their back on creating porn for others.

How does a low paid, inexperienced content producer create a really unique product when paid badly?

Bringing out the girl's personality makes her unique, even if she's doing the same thing 1,000s of other girls are doing. And they all do the same thing, so going from the bad to the sofa doesn't make it unique. Except on TGPs, which was why "unique" became the thing. Every unseen scene to the consumer is unique.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

On Sunday at 18:00 CEDT ? LMFAO
Fucking Asshat

But TY for posting the Links

Yes, we are both here at 18.00 hours.

No problem with the links. Now you have a great opportunity to post more and prove your point about abuse being a problem.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 09:38 AM

INTERMISSION

AdultKing · 07-31-2016, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Absolutely. But it has to be good unique content, bad unique content is still crap. The problem is in creating really unique content.

You disagreed with the idea content could get saturated in the major niches I recall.

Why the change of mind ?

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 10:06 AM

"There is a seat for every ass."

That is a Mercedes-Benz Plant BTW.

Have it your way -- fantasy made to order

We put production in the hands of the workers -- LOTS of THEM!

Pussy Supermarket
Don't squeeze the Peaches (too hard)

You just don't get it.

The Porn Nerd · 07-31-2016, 10:19 AM

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Yes amateurs sell, do you know why amateur sell and why that scene doesn't sell well? As a content producer, I do.

Show 4k samples. And tell us what are the good points of the porn in the scene.

If your sites make 1 sale a day. You would be making $2,400 a day. And have a quality of content reflecting that level of income. You don't but keep dreaming.

You see Paul? THIS is why people do not like you. You ASSUME. (Class, what happens when you assume? You make an ASS out of U and ME.)

You ASSUME that scene does not sell well. HOW on Earth would you have ANY idea whatsoever on how well that scene sold or how much money that scene made me over time? How? It's impossible because you cannot. You ASSUME.

Also, I do much more than 1 sale a day Paul. LOL Again, you ASSUME with no real knowledge or information.

You also ASSUME because I do not pay $50,000 a week for updates that I cannot afford to buy superior content (even tho I posted examples of some of my superior content).

But go ahead, keep making an ASS out of U and ME. Me? I don't need to 'keep dreaming' dude, I AM living the dream already.

AdultKing · 07-31-2016, 10:20 AM

I think Paul is still trying to work out the answer to the question I asked him.

fuzebox · 07-31-2016, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And have a quality of content reflecting that level of income.

This is a fundamental flaw in your perception of revenue in online adult

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

You disagreed with the idea content could get saturated in the major niches I recall.

Why the change of mind ?

Go back and read the post, you will see the reasons it wasn't saturated for the member if the site owner followed simple rules.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

"There is a seat for every ass."

That is a Mercedes-Benz Plant BTW.

Have it your way -- fantasy made to order

We put production in the hands of the workers -- LOTS of THEM!

Pussy Supermarket
Don't squeeze the Peaches (too hard)

You just don't get it.

And there's a fundemantal flaw in your thinking that putting production in the hands of the workers -- LOTS of THEM increases earnings.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

You see Paul? THIS is why people do not like you. You ASSUME. (Class, what happens when you assume? You make an ASS out of U and ME.)

You ASSUME that scene does not sell well. HOW on Earth would you have ANY idea whatsoever on how well that scene sold or how much money that scene made me over time? How? It's impossible because you cannot. You ASSUME.

Also, I do much more than 1 sale a day Paul. LOL Again, you ASSUME with no real knowledge or information.

You also ASSUME because I do not pay $50,000 a week for updates that I cannot afford to buy superior content (even tho I posted examples of some of my superior content).

But go ahead, keep making an ASS out of U and ME. Me? I don't need to 'keep dreaming' dude, I AM living the dream already.

OK you asked for it.

The girl has no appetite for the scene, she looks detached to the whole thing.

The guys dick is small and not getting very hard.

The shooter is clueless about how to point the camera.

The scene lacks emotion. It's dull, boring and not sexy.

Amateur is people doing it for the fun of it, with enjoyment, pleasure, a couple who are sharing something. I don't assume that's crap. As a content producer with 5 decades of experience, I know it's crap. I know what consumers want from Amateur Content and that's not it. They don't imagine meeting her and getting her to give them a hand and blow job like that and the don't want to perform like that guy is.

You don't know otherwise you wouldn't be putting it up. And most certainly not trying to fool people it makes money.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I think Paul is still trying to work out the answer to the question I asked him.

Do you ever look at the time you post and think of the time in Europe? I would expect better from a webmaster.

Barry-xlovecam · 07-31-2016, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And there's a fundemantal flaw in your thinking that putting production in the hands of the workers -- LOTS of THEM increases earnings.

The fundamental flaw is taking it out of your pocket.

We don't buy content we make but we sell the content our models produce selling millions of dollars of it every month.
If your ''methods'' made me $40K a month extra the profit isn't that exciting -- that is why we have studios and affiliates -- they do the work and get most of the profit from the revenue. However, since you said in that other affiliate scam and dump thread that business ethics don't matter -- look elsewhere.

I have no use for porn producers -- if the models what to use social media it's really not a problem. But I am not paying for their ''lessons.'' That's their job. As they get most of the profits they can do their part work. We provide technical and social work information in a manual for them, in 5 languages so they can understand it.

Put up a website offering to train models for a fee, good luck ...

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

This is a fundamental flaw in your perception of revenue in online adult

Then explain it. Because to most people they see the better the product, the better the sales.

plaster · 07-31-2016, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The fundamental flaw is taking it out of your pocket.

We don't buy content we make but we sell the content our models produce selling millions of dollars of it every month.
If your ''methods'' made me $40K a month extra the profit isn't that exciting -- that is why we have studios and affiliates -- they do the work and get most of the profit from the revenue. However, since you said in that other affiliate scam and dump thread that business ethics don't matter -- look elsewhere.

I have no use for porn producers -- if the models what to use social media it's really not a problem. But I am not paying for their ''lessons.'' That's their job. As they get most of the profits they can do their part work. We provide technical and social work information in a manual for them, in 5 languages so they can understand it.

Put up a website offering to train models for a fee, good luck ...

40k extra in your pocket per month isn't worth it? Now I know you are a rep for a cam program that is paying you a salary and nothing else. When did you become so arrogant?

The Porn Nerd · 07-31-2016, 10:59 PM

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OK you asked for it.

The girl has no appetite for the scene, she looks detached to the whole thing.

The guys dick is small and not getting very hard.

The shooter is clueless about how to point the camera.

The scene lacks emotion. It's dull, boring and not sexy.

Amateur is people doing it for the fun of it, with enjoyment, pleasure, a couple who are sharing something. I don't assume that's crap. As a content producer with 5 decades of experience, I know it's crap. I know what consumers want from Amateur Content and that's not it. They don't imagine meeting her and getting her to give them a hand and blow job like that and the don't want to perform like that guy is.

You don't know otherwise you wouldn't be putting it up. And most certainly not trying to fool people it makes money.

Blah blah blah. It's AMATEUR CONTENT. So it sucks. It's also "real" and it sells. Not retirement money but it sells.

And still you have no idea how much ANYONE makes, and that's what is so insulting. Fuck you dude. I will compare bank accounts any day of the week.

Blah blah blah. Carry on.

Paul Markham · 07-31-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

The fundamental flaw is taking it out of your pocket.

We don't buy content we make but we sell the content our models produce selling millions of dollars of it every month.
If your ''methods'' made me $40K a month extra the profit isn't that exciting -- that is why we have studios and affiliates -- they do the work and get most of the profit from the revenue. However, since you said in that other affiliate scam and dump thread that business ethics don't matter -- look elsewhere.

I have no use for porn producers -- if the models what to use social media it's really not a problem. But I am not paying for their ''lessons.'' That's their job. As they get most of the profits they can do their part work. We provide technical and social work information in a manual for them, in 5 languages so they can understand it.

Put up a website offering to train models for a fee, good luck ...

I see your point. You have a Selling Site that has 1,000s of models who have to work on many Selling Site to make a poor income. The rule of 10% produce 80% of the income means many are failing to convert on the Selling Sites. Which is bad for them and bad for you. Because the good girls are more than likely to be out of the studio or in Privat Chat. If you could make some of the 90% low earners into higher earners, you could increase your income.

You shouldn't have to pay for it. What I'm describing is something the Studio Owners should be doing. Could be put onto a part of your site only accessible by the studios, hell you could send it to them online as a video download. The biggest problem is the lack of girls who can speak passable English. So the extra profit is unattainable and this solution is for your competitors. Who are already using it.

Horatio Caine · 07-31-2016, 11:40 PM

I just want everyone to know that I didn't read any of it.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Blah blah blah. It's AMATEUR CONTENT. So it sucks. It's also "real" and it sells. Not retirement money but it sells.

And still you have no idea how much ANYONE makes, and that's what is so insulting. Fuck you dude. I will compare bank accounts any day of the week.

Blah blah blah. Carry on.

No, it's not amateur, it's bad content for the reasons I stated.

I explained what AMATEUR CONTENT is and no way does that suck, it's a great niche. I produced it by the bucket load in the UK.

As you say no one can know what another person makes. Like you and all the others can't know what I made. I do know you can't afford to buy better content. Or are you now going to tell us better porn sells less than bad porn?

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 01:40 AM

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40k extra in your pocket per month isn't worth it? Now I know you are a rep for a cam program that is paying you a salary and nothing else. When did you become so arrogant?

Here's the reason why he's not a good rep.

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If your ''methods'' made me $40K a month extra the profit isn't that exciting -- that is why we have studios and affiliates -- they do the work and get most of the profit from the revenue. However, since you said in that other affiliate scam and dump thread that business ethics don't matter -- look elsewhere.

$40k extra in his pocket. Is how much extra in the pockets of affiliates, studios, models, and the boss? These people get most of the profits.

Is it only $40k with so many models who can be trained? An increase of 1% in sales of "millions of dollars of it every month." is better than a decrease of $40k to people who are adopting this new method.

Bottom line is what affiliates, studios, models, and the boss actually earn. Affiliates will move to the sites with the best conversions, some webcam site can convert traffic Xlovecam can't, models and studios work for many Selling Sites. So even if all his swagger persuades people to try out the site. Their income will decide if they keep working with them.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

You disagreed with the idea content could get saturated in the major niches I recall.

Why the change of mind ?

The problem in these blanket ideas is they have little foundation.

Unique is the first time the viewer has seen the scene, to him it's unique. Changing the girl, clothing, bed/sofa and not the action doesn't make it unique to the consumer.

The problem is the budget for the content. $300 for solo, $800 for GG, $1,000 for BG were the lowest prices for Exclusive Custom content. There's little chance of any of that being unique. Quadruple those prices and there's a chance it will be unique and good. The content producer can afford to create better porn. The best content producers are interested in producing doe online porn sites. And the odds of content being unique is a lot higher. So as I said it has to be good unique and the price is out of the reach of all but a few.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 02:16 AM

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When it comes to still photography there are some simple rules for good content.

There are 26 fundamental poses. Shoot them while the model is nude, undressing and dressed will give readily double the amount of shots to 52. Making 45 degrees turn will double it . Shooting a couple more will be added by some with half body. The shot going from side to side of his lights that are key add a couple more and will change the back ground. Actually firing a set of 200 distinct poses/pictures is not difficult knowing how.

So firing a set with exactly the same pose over and over again is inexperienced and unforgivable in the conditions of the shot not having a hint.

The poses are not same, the importance of variation is predominant.

That's the technical aspect of good still content.

I brought up a good point here which AK plagiarised and agrees with.

The proliferation of affiliates helped no one long term. We see this with all the new gLTDs. We also saw it with paysites.

There was very little increase in new porn customers when it went online. All that happened was offline customers went online. There was a huge increase in the number of suppliers of porn. This meant the pot remained the same size and the feeders doubled, trebled and reproduced like mice. While there was new grain coming in, they over populated the arena.

The crash happened when offline porn had nothing left to attract. There was no new traffic from areas we relied on, but the response from online porn was to increase the number of sites and updates to increase the number of affiliates giving out free porn. Did it make the pot bigger? No, it made the share smaller for everyone.

In the UK, population 60 million. There were 5 companies selling mail order videos. Two were Ma & Pa operations. We remaining three were cleaning up. Porn Nerd dreams about making 80 sales a day. We were making 80 and more a day. Because no one else was in the business.

Then Tubes and piracy became monsters because of B/W costs. And the trough shrunk and mice died, and died, and died. We're on our way back to the 1990s of few suppliers ad billions of customers. The problem is shutting off the free supply of porn and the conversion rates of bought traffic. Where once a TGP could convert at 1-100 and get good traffic, Tube traffic converts at 1-5,000. for some worse than that.

The difference in CTR is even worse.

So standing still in the quality of the product isn't an option. Adapt or you will die.

If you don't find webcam models who are trained, someone else will. If you can't find great content that hits the niche, someone else will. And all the BS about I"m doing fine won't pay your bills.

Mine are paid in full and behind me. Because I adapted.

Manfap · 08-01-2016, 02:57 AM

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The girl has no appetite for the scene, she looks detached to the whole thing.

The scene lacks emotion. It's dull, boring and not sexy.

You just explained your content to a tee.. congrats!

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I brought up a good point here which AK plagiarised and agrees with.

I don't agree, I was just testing my Paul Markham text generator.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 06:23 AM

I am not an affiliate rep.
You know so little apparently.

Let me put it on a level you might understand -- My immediate supervisor is the CEO of AC Webconnecting Holding BV.

What the fuck do you think we might net on net $40,000 a month and how much time and other bullshit in expense is involved in making it this way?
We generate much more than that A DAY.
What do you think the Net profit margin is in this?
We have 300 co-lo webservers, and many are production servers that cost over $10,000 to buy -- then the cost of 60 gbps in leased peering -- what do you think that this all costs a month? This is like talking to doorknobs ... pff

Maybe to you $40K is a fortune. if you think it is work with us, as a affiliate/studio/model and you will get most of the profit from it.

You must be mistaking be for some broke slob like yourself.

I am currently engaged in deciding the domain names to withhold from registration that are trademark 'sorta' -- most are word marks that are contestable -- $700K worth at wholesale. I deal in 6 - 8 figures decisions most the time.

As for the idea, try it. Capitalize it yourself. There are many webcam sites that can provide you the technical back end. But I won't adopt you and pay you an allowance. I haven't time for that. If you don't fit into the program you have to invest to do it your way.

Studios might hire you Paul -- for Czech wages (or less).
Write an e-book and sell it on kindle -- How to be a webcam star -- by Paul Markham sell it for $3.50 maybe you will sell 100 copies.

Find a way to make real money.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 06:45 AM

Paul, the closest I can figure you went out of business because you gave up. Then you got sick and you had a very small operation, with no market share, that no one would buy.

Yesterday's heros are today's shitheads.
Today's heros are tomorrow's shitheads.

If you were successful years ago you should have the investment capital to make a comeback. Or, be getting offers to consult or offers of board seats.

I have a marketing and affiliate staff meeting shortly -- one more cup of coffee ...

Your idea was presented by me in an executive summary 2 years ago and rejected -- don't be so butt hurt. Make it work and we may come and buy your business -- then you can retire with some real money 64 isn't that old.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I am not an affiliate rep.
You know so little apparently.

Let me put it on a level you might understand -- My immediate supervisor is the CEO of AC Webconnecting Holding BV.

Then don't make posts about how little your models earn. Or that you had to move to the Third world after finding out you couldn't afford First World ones, or that 90% earn very little, that they come and go all the time, etc.

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What the fuck do you think we might net on net $40,000 a month and how much time and other bullshit in expense is involved in making it this way?
We generate much more than that A DAY.
What do you think the Net profit margin is in this?
We have 300 co-lo webservers, and many are production servers that cost over $10,000 to buy -- then the cost of 60 gbps in leased peering -- what do you think that this all costs a month? This is like talking to doorknobs ... pff

how do you know it will only make $40,000 a month? Unless most of your models can't speak English,

Maybe to you $40K is a fortune. if you think it is work with us, as a affiliate/studio/model and you will get most of the profit from it.

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You must be mistaking be for some broke slob like yourself.

I am currently engaged in deciding the domain names to withhold from registration that are trademark 'sorta' -- most are word marks that are contestable -- $700K worth at wholesale. I deal in 6 - 8 figures decisions most the time.

Yes we will see how that pans out.

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As for the idea, try it. Capitalize it yourself. There are many webcam sites that can provide you the technical back end. But I won't adopt you and pay you an allowance. I haven't time for that. If you don't fit into the program you have to invest to do it your way.

Others are already doing it.

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Studios might hire you Paul -- for Czech wages (or less).
Write an e-book and sell it on kindle -- How to be a webcam star -- by Paul Markham sell it for $3.50 maybe you will sell 100 copies.

Find a way to make real money.

Too late I found one and retired.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Paul, the closest I can figure you went out of business because you gave up. Then you got sick and you had a very small operation, with no market share, that no one would buy.

Yesterday's heros are today's shitheads.
Today's heros are tomorrow's shitheads.

If you were successful years ago you should have the investment capital to make a comeback. Or, be getting offers to consult or offers of board seats.

So you're clueless on this part as well.

It was predicted I would die from cancer, best case scenario was to lose my tongue and survive. After chemo and radiation, I beat the big C. Now don't have much stamina which you can see in the videos posted of me shooting.

I do have enough to invest, wouldn't invest it any business which turns over employees at the rate yours does. Or where so few earn so little, or where the model is past it's sales by date. My investments are in property.

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I have a marketing and affiliate staff meeting shortly -- one more cup of coffee ...

Your idea was presented by me in an executive summary 2 years ago and rejected -- don't be so butt hurt. Make it work and we may come and buy your business -- then you can retire with some real money 64 isn't that old.

Why do you say this is my idea, it's what the best in the webcam business are doing or planning to do. Who was it that's opening a studio in Las Vegas? Why do that and run it like the freelance Third World studios you have?

I don't doubt you rejected it, other took it up and kicking ass with it. There's another statement a serious businessman would never make.

66 in 3 weeks, remove the foot from your mouth again.

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 07:44 AM

Paul, can you explain the bag of oranges stuff again please ?

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 07:46 AM

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I don't agree, I was just testing my Paul Markham text generator.

Do you think the proliferation of affiliates and paysites dedicated to giving away free porn. Helped sales or reduced them for the entire indutry?

I think it reduced them and knowing some of the people who made it big in offline porn, from just selling to one main country. I can say no one online has come anywhere near them.

There were similar tycoons in all the major countries.

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 08:20 AM

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Do you think the proliferation of affiliates and paysites dedicated to giving away free porn. Helped sales or reduced them for the entire indutry

I've never seen a pay site give away free porn.

All other forms of commercial pornography available on the net are supported by one or more monetisation models, be it ads, affiliate offers or direct payment to pay sites.

TGP sites were supported by ads and affiliate offers that surfers were directed to.

Tube sites are supported by ads and premium memberships.

Porn Blogs typically wouldn't exist without some form of monetisation.

There's a lot of porn on Tumblr, Twitter and other social platforms that may not be directly monetised but apart from hobbyist activity does contribute to an overall monetisation model.

Even porn shared on illegitimate porn forums is monetised by the posters links to file lockers or image hosting websites, which in turn have their own monetisation models.

The moment Joe Public hooked into the Internet it was inevitable that porn would become somewhat commoditised, just as most other forms of content have been.

One of my mainstream businesses sells information products. One particular product that comes to mind is an ebook to help people stop smoking. All of the information contained in that ebook is readily available online and for free - but we still sell the ebook, about 20 - 30 a day at $10 a pop.

It all comes down to making something conveniently available to a potential buyer and getting to them at the right stage of the online research process. Sure you can find all the information you need online, but sometimes people just want it prepackaged for them.

The same applies to porn. Met Art and sites of it's ilk would not be able to produce the voluminous amount of content that they do and pay for the huge infrastructure needed to support it unless they were making significant income.

I think your problem with all this Paul is that you don't understand current business models or the concept of disruption. The entertainment industries have grappled with the same pains as the porn industry, things have inevitably led to consolidation, freemium models and all you can eat subscription models. Piracy aside, the commercial sector of all of these industries has had to change from the old business models - because the consumer demanded it.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 08:23 AM

Paul -- just fucking do it.

Don't tell me what to do.

Show me what you can do with your own resources.
Impress us Paul with deeds not walls of text telling everyone the right way to do business.

NO SALE!
Invest in your own business if you are up to it.
Who is going to inherit all the Markham real estate from your wife?
Yesterday's small time hero. Good for you.

We bought a registry a digital property (personal property) nation.
I think we will buy traffic and funnel to a company owned webcam tube. We have thousands of amateur videos that our models has said we could use.
We do things.

If you could generate such great converting traffic you would be doing it.

Roald · 08-01-2016, 08:25 AM

hahaha he got you guys good!!!!

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 08:28 AM

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I've never seen a pay site give away free porn.

All other forms of commercial pornography available on the net are supported by one or more monetisation models, be it ads, affiliate offers or direct payment to pay sites.

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I think your problem with all this Paul is that you don't understand current business models or the concept of disruption. The entertainment industries have grappled with the same pains as the porn industry, things have inevitably led to consolidation, freemium models and all you can eat subscription models. Piracy aside, the commercial sector of all of these industries has had to change from the old business models - because the consumer demanded it.

Good summation.
Business models have changed and most of the old timer porn folks are out of business or just getting by.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 08:31 AM

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hahaha he got you guys good!!!!

What do you mean -- look at the page views.

We are just feeding the troll to our own purposes at this point

plaster · 08-01-2016, 08:33 AM

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I've never seen a pay site give away free porn.

JT from rusefull cash was the biggest cheerleader on giving away free porn. He specifically mentioned make it longer, at least 10 minutes, unique, hd, etc. Etc. And upload it to manwin tubes so you could become a top studio on the tubes and become rich...

... then he sold to manwin.

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

hahaha he got you guys good!!!!

Yep I got sucked in again

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JT from rusefull cash was the biggest cheerleader on giving away free porn. He specifically mentioned make it longer, at least 10 minutes, unique, hd, etc. Etc. And upload it to manwin tubes so you could become a top studio on the tubes and become rich...

... then he sold to manwin.

So that worked then. Just proves what you can do if you push against existing business models. Also I don't think he sold to Manwin, last I heard Manwin just manage the properties while JT concentrates on building the business. That may have changed since last year but regardless, JT isn't going hungry now is he ?

plaster · 08-01-2016, 09:34 AM

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So that worked then. Just proves what you can do if you push against existing business models. Also I don't think he sold to Manwin, last I heard Manwin just manage the properties while JT concentrates on building the business. That may have changed since last year but regardless, JT isn't going hungry now is he ?

It worked because he created youporn in 2005 and had his foot in the door since the beginning. It was his job to push the tube concept after he sold youporn to manwin. Just ask the Porn Nerd how much money he is making off of the tubes. He, and whoever he hires to upload, how much is he making? Can't think of a better candidate to answer the question. Remember, JT boasted that in his first year he broke 1 million in sales and it was all due to tube uploading. So maybe he was around 3 million per year or whatever. Porn Nerd, you doing 3 million a year from tube uploads? You have way more content then JT and you likely upload a shit ton more then he ever did.

JT got so much free tube space because of who he was, not because of his content. Having 100's of millions of eyeballs on your shit monthly made the sales. You cannot expand his succcess and replicate with others as it's not scale-able for the masses.

And JT was contracted to produce the content for whatever period of time and I'm sure that time is up and JT is completely out. Good for him, got in, got out, ventures on but likely not in adult as it's been trampled.

Oh.. there is money in adult for sure. But it ain't in a paysite model uploading to tubes for sales, that's for certain.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-01-2016, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I do have enough to invest, wouldn't invest it any business which turns over employees at the rate yours does.

Why do you say this is my idea, it's what the best in the webcam business are doing or planning to do. Who was it that's opening a studio in Las Vegas? Why do that and run it like the freelance Third World studios you have?

Best in the webcam business -- how do you know who is making what?

Show me P&L statements -- that is the only proof I will accept.

I already told you choose a cam website that has the Markham seal of approval and test the idea there. I could care less where.

Streamray has had a studio in Las Vegas since day 1 c. 1996? The studio operating statement is part the consolidated case filed with the US Bankruptcy court showing the expenses and revenue for one month for that studio. Oh yeah, they were a profitable part of the FFN Ch11 -- if you want some idea of what you are getting into -- retrieve the documents at Pacer: Case 13-12434-CSS. Streamray Studios, Inc Case 13-12435-CSS

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I've never seen a pay site give away free porn.

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All other forms of commercial pornography available on the net are supported by one or more monetisation models, be it ads, affiliate offers or direct payment to pay sites.

TGP sites were supported by ads and affiliate offers that surfers were directed to.

Tube sites are supported by ads and premium memberships.

Porn Blogs typically wouldn't exist without some form of monetisation.

There's a lot of porn on Tumblr, Twitter and other social platforms that may not be directly monetised but apart from hobbyist activity does contribute to an overall monetisation model.

Even porn shared on illegitimate porn forums is monetised by the posters links to file lockers or image hosting websites, which in turn have their own monetisation models.

The moment Joe Public hooked into the Internet it was inevitable that porn would become somewhat commoditised, just as most other forms of content have been.

One of my mainstream businesses sells information products. One particular product that comes to mind is an ebook to help people stop smoking. All of the information contained in that ebook is readily available online and for free - but we still sell the ebook, about 20 - 30 a day at $10 a pop.

It all comes down to making something conveniently available to a potential buyer and getting to them at the right stage of the online research process. Sure you can find all the information you need online, but sometimes people just want it prepackaged for them.

The same applies to porn. Met Art and sites of it's ilk would not be able to produce the voluminous amount of content that they do and pay for the huge infrastructure needed to support it unless they were making significant income.

I think your problem with all this Paul is that you don't understand current business models or the concept of disruption. The entertainment industries have grappled with the same pains as the porn industry, things have inevitably led to consolidation, freemium models and all you can eat subscription models. Piracy aside, the commercial sector of all of these industries has had to change from the old business models - because the consumer demanded it.

You really are clueless. I know all that and have stated it over and over again. I'm suggesting that instead of selling what everyone is giving away for free. We sell the person in the sex scene rather than the sex act. It won't appeal to everyone, but it will appeal to some.

Your problem is you're just a webmaster. I cannot see the owner of a large company being this clueless and certainly not wasting time trolling on a subject he's clueless about. Stick to webcasting and programming.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Good summation.
Business models have changed and most of the old timer porn folks are out of business or just getting by.

What I'm proposing is a new development in the webcam business. You're the one sticking to yesterday's model of webcamming.

As for most of the old timers out of the business, yes we were able to make enough to retire. As for getting by. You don't have a clue about my income. I can see by the different quality of porn what attracts the most people. By the quality of models, I can tell who makes the most.

You couldn't make enough to keep your US studio open. So had to go to the Third World where wages were lower. Even so, 90% of your girls only get to share 20% of the sites income and have to work for other webcam sites. These are you words.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

What do you mean -- look at the page views.

We are just feeding the troll to our own purposes at this point

The statements you're making are doing you no good at all. Stop saying you can't do what others are, 90% of your girls don't earn much, they came and go with the wind, can't convert Tube traffic, can't make it pay with Western Models, etc. People are reading this and thinking you're not the site to promote.

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Stick to webcasting and programming.

Paul Markham · 08-01-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by plaster

JT from rusefull cash was the biggest cheerleader on giving away free porn. He specifically mentioned make it longer, at least 10 minutes, unique, hd, etc. Etc. And upload it to manwin tubes so you could become a top studio on the tubes and become rich...

... then he sold to manwin.

For a tiny few Tubes are a great business. The vast majority scrape by or are leaving mainstream porn. The entire porn industry has lost. But that's business. I'm suggesting people expand on a method that's already working. Barry and Porn Nerd and a few more can't do this, AK is trolling he has nothing to do with porn content. He claims to own a big business, but spends time looking like an affiliate webmaster.

AdultKing · 08-01-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

AK is trolling he has nothing to do with porn content. He claims to own a big business, but spends time looking like an affiliate webmaster.

Wrong again Paul.

Paul Markham · 08-02-2016, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Best in the webcam business -- how do you know who is making what?

Show me P&L statements -- that is the only proof I will accept.

I already told you choose a cam website that has the Markham seal of approval and test the idea there. I could care less where.

Streamray has had a studio in Las Vegas since day 1 c. 1996? The studio operating statement is part the consolidated case filed with the US Bankruptcy court showing the expenses and revenue for one month for that studio. Oh yeah, they were a profitable part of the FFN Ch11 -- if you want some idea of what you are getting into -- retrieve the documents at Pacer: Case 13-12434-CSS. Streamray Studios, Inc Case 13-12435-CSS

Best for the consumer. Who already have the idea.

So you're saying the idea of webcam sites making enough money to pay Western girls is wrong.

That could be right. The concept of Western girls earning enough when freelance is flourishing.

So why can't your style of studios make enough to hire and run a better class of product?

Paul Markham · 08-02-2016, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Wrong again Paul.

Prove it. And before you reply you have nothing to prove to me, this isn't a private conversation.

I see you with sites that don't look like they're from a CEO of a big business, asking for solo girls sites with affiliate programs with lots of content, so you do have something to do with content.

A Search Engine with no clue how to get people to use it and a poor reason for them to leave Google and use yours.

None of these will make the money the CEO of a large company wants. You spend a lot of time trolling me, a CEO hasn't got the time to waste, an affiliate does.

You definitely don't understand the concept of changing a marketing ploy to attract a sector of the market, that wants more than a 20 jerk off for free. If you claim it doesn't work, then you don't understand the porn or adult business.

AdultKing · 08-02-2016, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Prove it. And before you reply you have nothing to prove to me, this isn't a private conversation.

I have nothing to prove to you and this is not a private conversation

Paul Markham · 08-02-2016, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have nothing to prove to you and this is not a private conversation

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Barry-xlovecam · 08-02-2016, 06:38 AM

Thanks for all the page views and affiliate program sign ups Paul -- this thread was gold -- throw the troll a cookie.

You don't know what I have planned Paul.

But FYI, we send out 7 figures in payments to affiliates/models and studios every month -- Some studio's paychecks in 2 weeks could buy your house/apt -- WTF? Furthermore, we don't send you a dime. But, thanks for the free advertising you have been trumped.

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	I think Paul is still trying to work out the answer to the question I asked him.

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08-01-2016, 06:23 AM	#275
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I am not an affiliate rep. You know so little apparently. Let me put it on a level you might understand -- My immediate supervisor is the CEO of AC Webconnecting Holding BV. What the fuck do you think we might net on net $40,000 a month and how much time and other bullshit in expense is involved in making it this way? We generate much more than that A DAY. What do you think the Net profit margin is in this? We have 300 co-lo webservers, and many are production servers that cost over $10,000 to buy -- then the cost of 60 gbps in leased peering -- what do you think that this all costs a month? This is like talking to doorknobs ... pff Maybe to you $40K is a fortune. if you think it is work with us, as a affiliate/studio/model and you will get most of the profit from it. You must be mistaking be for some broke slob like yourself. I am currently engaged in deciding the domain names to withhold from registration that are trademark 'sorta' -- most are word marks that are contestable -- $700K worth at wholesale. I deal in 6 - 8 figures decisions most the time. As for the idea, try it. Capitalize it yourself. There are many webcam sites that can provide you the technical back end. But I won't adopt you and pay you an allowance. I haven't time for that. If you don't fit into the program you have to invest to do it your way. Studios might hire you Paul -- for Czech wages (or less). Write an e-book and sell it on kindle -- How to be a webcam star -- by Paul Markham sell it for $3.50 maybe you will sell 100 copies. Find a way to make real money.

08-01-2016, 06:45 AM	#276
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Paul, the closest I can figure you went out of business because you gave up. Then you got sick and you had a very small operation, with no market share, that no one would buy. Yesterday's heros are today's shitheads. Today's heros are tomorrow's shitheads. If you were successful years ago you should have the investment capital to make a comeback. Or, be getting offers to consult or offers of board seats. I have a marketing and affiliate staff meeting shortly -- one more cup of coffee ... Your idea was presented by me in an executive summary 2 years ago and rejected -- don't be so butt hurt. Make it work and we may come and buy your business -- then you can retire with some real money 64 isn't that old.

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AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	Paul, can you explain the bag of oranges stuff again please ?

08-01-2016, 08:23 AM	#282
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Paul -- just fucking do it. Don't tell me what to do. Show me what you can do with your own resources. Impress us Paul with deeds not walls of text telling everyone the right way to do business. NO SALE! Invest in your own business if you are up to it. Who is going to inherit all the Markham real estate from your wife? Yesterday's small time hero. Good for you. We bought a registry a digital property (personal property) nation. I think we will buy traffic and funnel to a company owned webcam tube. We have thousands of amateur videos that our models has said we could use. We do things. If you could generate such great converting traffic you would be doing it.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Thanks for all the page views and affiliate program sign ups Paul -- this thread was gold -- throw the troll a cookie. You don't know what I have planned Paul. But FYI, we send out 7 figures in payments to affiliates/models and studios every month -- Some studio's paychecks in 2 weeks could buy your house/apt -- WTF? Furthermore, we don't send you a dime. But, thanks for the free advertising you have been trumped.